BOTM 06 Final Spoiler
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blastoidstalker
The Geographer
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I went for fastest to space and I felt good about how everything went till near the end.
I setled 1 SE which let me put a GP city to the north later. I expanded to the south early stealing the southernbmost gold tiles from the french, then taking the french out with two wars, one after i got maces and the other just after grenaders of riflemen. I also settled the islands west of the celts for extra fish.
I focused on a trade economy. got GL early then beelined to astronomy then delayed coorperation till the last minute. I then built my economy around sushi and mining inc for the late game.
I got way ahead in tech and had the spaceship built and launched just as the first rivals got appollo. Unfortuantly I forgot to finish 1 piece of shielding (it had 2 turns remaining) and the shipped crashed around 1920? I am not sure what the chances of this are of this but it did not make me happy. I took a couple of days off from the game then came back and built a second ship, this time with all the pieces and reached AC in 1956 but pissed that I did not get my earlier time.
I setled 1 SE which let me put a GP city to the north later. I expanded to the south early stealing the southernbmost gold tiles from the french, then taking the french out with two wars, one after i got maces and the other just after grenaders of riflemen. I also settled the islands west of the celts for extra fish.
I focused on a trade economy. got GL early then beelined to astronomy then delayed coorperation till the last minute. I then built my economy around sushi and mining inc for the late game.
I got way ahead in tech and had the spaceship built and launched just as the first rivals got appollo. Unfortuantly I forgot to finish 1 piece of shielding (it had 2 turns remaining) and the shipped crashed around 1920? I am not sure what the chances of this are of this but it did not make me happy. I took a couple of days off from the game then came back and built a second ship, this time with all the pieces and reached AC in 1956 but pissed that I did not get my earlier time.
MacBalt
Learnéd Fool
Wow, great game. Sounds like we took some similar approaches. I also got the southern gold hills before DeGaul and went for space. You played it better than I did (your earlier wars vs DeGaul were probably a better decision than my late one, for one thing), but without the unlucky crash I was able to get a spaceship victory in 1945. I'd say your victory date is extremely impressive for having to build two spaceships!
I wondered how that incomplete rocket ship thing was going to work. I'm always paranoid I'm going to hit the damn launch button too early. What is the percentage chance of a crash, anyway?
OK, now I remember this game. I warred with French before I was ready, just because their settler reached the spot I wanted before mine did. I ended up taking Paris, but couldn't keep it and just kept falling farther behind. So I reloaded and undid that hasty decision. This time, when I attacked, I was able to take and hold Paris, plus Lyons. But it was stalemate after that- and other civs were way beyond us. So I reloaded AGAIN, and I managed to erase the Frankish regime from the pages of time. But I still lost becuase of economic collapse and being outpaced techwise.
After that I gave up. Needless to say there was no submission. I'm not quite ready for this one.
After that I gave up. Needless to say there was no submission. I'm not quite ready for this one.
Jon Shaw
Prince
I had a very imilar victory to those above!
Settled the southern gold early to block off the french from my peninsula and 'cos it was a good site to have.
Kept up in tech with all the AIs. About 1700 realised the french were behind in tech and unpopular with everyone, so took over the whole starting continent. Vassalized the remainder of the french 'cos I couldn't be bothered with all their rubbish little islands. Vasslising seems absolutely rubbish though- get the unhappiness in captured cities plus the disapproval of all other AIs for having a vassal.
Anyway, my bigger empire let me steam into the tech lead and build my spaceship first in about 1945. I'd hoped to be able to tech trade with the celts as they were friendly (and the most advanced), but got nothing out of them - wfyabta- so had to research it all myself.
Settled the southern gold early to block off the french from my peninsula and 'cos it was a good site to have.
Kept up in tech with all the AIs. About 1700 realised the french were behind in tech and unpopular with everyone, so took over the whole starting continent. Vassalized the remainder of the french 'cos I couldn't be bothered with all their rubbish little islands. Vasslising seems absolutely rubbish though- get the unhappiness in captured cities plus the disapproval of all other AIs for having a vassal.
Anyway, my bigger empire let me steam into the tech lead and build my spaceship first in about 1945. I'd hoped to be able to tech trade with the celts as they were friendly (and the most advanced), but got nothing out of them - wfyabta- so had to research it all myself.
Conquistador 63
Deity
Another space win. Also vassalized DeG, before 1600AD. Boudica had joined me in that war, so I took the vassal fearing he could vassal to her instead. Boudica and me were friendly for the rest of the game - well, almost.
In fact, it was 1850AD and most of my space parts were under construction when the opportunity for a DP with her showed up, and I gladly accepted, as I feared Hannibal (who was only cautious, and the 2nd most advanced) could be interested in taking my warrior-defended megacities.
The very next turn, IBT the horns of war sounded! I thought the DP would've annoyed Hanni...But was Boudica who declared on me (and on my vassal, obviously)! Is that even possible? Doesn't trade deals work as peace treaties (10 turns where you can't declare war) in BTS? Or maybe a DP deal doesn't qualify as a trade deal?
Anyways, I continued to play just to watch Boudica take one of DeG's cities, pillage some seafood with a dozen or so destroyers and accept peace for some cheap tech a few turns later. It surely have cost me a few turns of production in the nearby cities, but other than that I was still able to launch my spacecraft with all possible parts and arrive to Alpha Centauri in 1904AD.
Lessons learned:
1. Great Lighthouse and Sid Sushi can really help one's economy, even more so in watery/seafood-rich maps like this one.
2. Never trust a redhead like Boudica, even when she says she loves you.
In fact, it was 1850AD and most of my space parts were under construction when the opportunity for a DP with her showed up, and I gladly accepted, as I feared Hannibal (who was only cautious, and the 2nd most advanced) could be interested in taking my warrior-defended megacities.
The very next turn, IBT the horns of war sounded! I thought the DP would've annoyed Hanni...But was Boudica who declared on me (and on my vassal, obviously)! Is that even possible? Doesn't trade deals work as peace treaties (10 turns where you can't declare war) in BTS? Or maybe a DP deal doesn't qualify as a trade deal?
Anyways, I continued to play just to watch Boudica take one of DeG's cities, pillage some seafood with a dozen or so destroyers and accept peace for some cheap tech a few turns later. It surely have cost me a few turns of production in the nearby cities, but other than that I was still able to launch my spacecraft with all possible parts and arrive to Alpha Centauri in 1904AD.
Lessons learned:
1. Great Lighthouse and Sid Sushi can really help one's economy, even more so in watery/seafood-rich maps like this one.
2. Never trust a redhead like Boudica, even when she says she loves you.
Harbourboy
Deity
I retired in 1914AD when Boudica attacked my poorly defended culture city. I had 10 great artists ready to rock but it was always going to be game over when someone attacked me because it was Infantry vs Holkans...........
Bleys
Deity
I did pretty well in this game, went for a pure TRE coastal REX, and managed a PILE of powerful cities. Then I got overconfident and tried to take De Gaulle, and it cost me the game when Hannibal landed to the North and I couldnt stop him. He took my capitol and I retired. It was my first game ever with Pacal though, and Emperor level, no less (I can win Emp, but usually stick Monarch as I find it more "fun").
Looking forward to the next one. I have given up hope of ever submitting a win though, LOL.
Looking forward to the next one. I have given up hope of ever submitting a win though, LOL.
@Balthalion: I think that the percentage chance of a crash is 20% for every casing you don't build.
I also managed a space win but I can't remember what date or what I did (in my defence I played this game almost a month ago now)
Will have a look when I'm back at my desktop and try to post something sensible
EDIT: even though sensible posts may be out of character
I also managed a space win but I can't remember what date or what I did (in my defence I played this game almost a month ago now)
Will have a look when I'm back at my desktop and try to post something sensible
EDIT: even though sensible posts may be out of character
MacBalt
Learnéd Fool
Thanks bestje. I'll look forward to seeing your post -- sensible or not. 
(Sometimes the non-sensible ones are more fun anyway! )
(Sometimes the non-sensible ones are more fun anyway! )
jesusin, challeger, goal: gold. Result: 1750AD conquest.
After DeGaule I built a useless Colossus just because I could. It got obsoleted so soon.
Optics 720AD.
1000AD stats: 12city, 81pop, 7wor, 45units(Treb,Mace), copper, iron. 6Lux, 6health. 2GP,1WW, 0NW, 1GG. FPG: 211-95-253. 255sust bpt, 11GPPpt, 1200g. 0Relig. 17cottages used. 31Techs: CS, Feud, Engi, Optics, no Aesth. 13hours. 1vassal, circumn.
Around 1000AD I dowed Hannibal. Lost unit after unit by not gathering a good stack but just disembarking as galleys got there.
Astronomy soon after. Took his capital and all important Pyramids in 1160AD. Anyway, I think it would have been better to have attacked the backwards Charlemagne, who discovered Feudalism just then, instead of Hannibal.
Boudica was so strong that I went Eastwards. Charlemagne was dowed in 1300AD, Gilga in 1400AD. HE and NE were built then (so late). A GE was used on Sistine's to get our domination sooner. I hadn't realized that Conquest would be fastest and probably more satisfying scorewise.
At 1500AD I was wondering if I would be able to win the game. 30 units stacks were attacking my troops.
When the AP religion spread, I accepted Charlemagne capitulation together with his only city with the religion.
In 1600AD I adopted Nationalism and sheer numbers were in my favour from then on. I dowed Boudica and Justy there and then. Defyied the AP decision to leave Justy alone, killed 25 units in a single interturn, and were surprised by Justy's capitulation, when he had lost only 2 border cities out of his 15 cities.
The last to fall was Boudica. I made a terrible mistake and allowed her to take an island-warrior-protected city. She wouldn't capitulate after that. I made her capitulate as fast as I could. I won by conquest in 1750AD. I played more focused on a "fast" conquest than on the gold. I suppose I could have got more points by delaying Boudica capitulation, growing my cities some more and taking more of her cities. It's just that delaying victory doesn't feel right.
After DeGaule I built a useless Colossus just because I could. It got obsoleted so soon.
Optics 720AD.
1000AD stats: 12city, 81pop, 7wor, 45units(Treb,Mace), copper, iron. 6Lux, 6health. 2GP,1WW, 0NW, 1GG. FPG: 211-95-253. 255sust bpt, 11GPPpt, 1200g. 0Relig. 17cottages used. 31Techs: CS, Feud, Engi, Optics, no Aesth. 13hours. 1vassal, circumn.
Around 1000AD I dowed Hannibal. Lost unit after unit by not gathering a good stack but just disembarking as galleys got there.
Astronomy soon after. Took his capital and all important Pyramids in 1160AD. Anyway, I think it would have been better to have attacked the backwards Charlemagne, who discovered Feudalism just then, instead of Hannibal.
Boudica was so strong that I went Eastwards. Charlemagne was dowed in 1300AD, Gilga in 1400AD. HE and NE were built then (so late). A GE was used on Sistine's to get our domination sooner. I hadn't realized that Conquest would be fastest and probably more satisfying scorewise.
At 1500AD I was wondering if I would be able to win the game. 30 units stacks were attacking my troops.
When the AP religion spread, I accepted Charlemagne capitulation together with his only city with the religion.
In 1600AD I adopted Nationalism and sheer numbers were in my favour from then on. I dowed Boudica and Justy there and then. Defyied the AP decision to leave Justy alone, killed 25 units in a single interturn, and were surprised by Justy's capitulation, when he had lost only 2 border cities out of his 15 cities.
The last to fall was Boudica. I made a terrible mistake and allowed her to take an island-warrior-protected city. She wouldn't capitulate after that. I made her capitulate as fast as I could. I won by conquest in 1750AD. I played more focused on a "fast" conquest than on the gold. I suppose I could have got more points by delaying Boudica capitulation, growing my cities some more and taking more of her cities. It's just that delaying victory doesn't feel right.
Vippeee ... !!!! My first Emperor GOTM victory. Rubbish score and time (Space, 2029 for about 19000 points), but do I care... NO!
No time to post a report on a rollercoaster finish at present:- suffice to say I needed to destroy a Celtic SS in flight (capture of Bibracte) followed almost immediately by capture of 2 Sumerian cities as they approached legendary status. My SS parts were constantly under threat by foreign spies (don't like this feature!) but I got there in the end.
Thanks to the BOTM team for all their efforts.
No time to post a report on a rollercoaster finish at present:- suffice to say I needed to destroy a Celtic SS in flight (capture of Bibracte) followed almost immediately by capture of 2 Sumerian cities as they approached legendary status. My SS parts were constantly under threat by foreign spies (don't like this feature!) but I got there in the end.
Thanks to the BOTM team for all their efforts.
Challenger, target - higehst score (for gauntlet)
My bet was on high-scoring domination (turned out to be conquest, as they were simultaneous)
I brought France into submission by 11th century, i.e. very late. With no delay a galley fleet was assembled and launched into Celtic domain, capturing Bibracte with GLib, Mausoleum, and something other tasty. Launched GAge with my GArtist immediately (overall had 4GAges, including Taj-triggered, therefore spending most of the rest game in GA). After Astro (by Liber to get overseas trading and galleon fleet ASAP) I went for Nationalism (for N-hood to draft rifles) and Rifles (to draft them) - used Paris with Globe as a cheap army factory. Then Communism for economy (saved smth like 300gpt of upkeep once switching to State Property), MilTrad for cavalry, Steel for cannons (hate walls and castles), Biology for pop, Physics (beaten Justy by 1 turn to it) for free GS and airships.
While finishing beating Boudica, I also declared on distant leader Charlemagne and got sucked into his castled defences. However, capturing his homeland peninsula allowed me to accept capitulation. Meanwhile I bribed Hannibal into declaring on Charlemagne and hit his exposed behind, meanwhile destroying his vassal Isabella.
I would have hit dom limit much earlier, but I wanted to capture more cities, wonders and vassalize all AI - thus had to liberate cities back to my vassals. Therefore I accepted Justinian's capitulation much later than he was ready, and this was the most nautical campaign ever in my experience. Finally, Gilgamesh, reduced to couple of tundra and island cities, also yielded in 1790, and a turn later a conquest victory was registered. I even had to run anarchy for the last couple of turns to not cross the dom limit aforetime - two captured cities were due to come out of revolt.
167K smth final score.
My bet was on high-scoring domination (turned out to be conquest, as they were simultaneous)
I brought France into submission by 11th century, i.e. very late. With no delay a galley fleet was assembled and launched into Celtic domain, capturing Bibracte with GLib, Mausoleum, and something other tasty. Launched GAge with my GArtist immediately (overall had 4GAges, including Taj-triggered, therefore spending most of the rest game in GA). After Astro (by Liber to get overseas trading and galleon fleet ASAP) I went for Nationalism (for N-hood to draft rifles) and Rifles (to draft them) - used Paris with Globe as a cheap army factory. Then Communism for economy (saved smth like 300gpt of upkeep once switching to State Property), MilTrad for cavalry, Steel for cannons (hate walls and castles), Biology for pop, Physics (beaten Justy by 1 turn to it) for free GS and airships.
While finishing beating Boudica, I also declared on distant leader Charlemagne and got sucked into his castled defences. However, capturing his homeland peninsula allowed me to accept capitulation. Meanwhile I bribed Hannibal into declaring on Charlemagne and hit his exposed behind, meanwhile destroying his vassal Isabella.
I would have hit dom limit much earlier, but I wanted to capture more cities, wonders and vassalize all AI - thus had to liberate cities back to my vassals. Therefore I accepted Justinian's capitulation much later than he was ready, and this was the most nautical campaign ever in my experience. Finally, Gilgamesh, reduced to couple of tundra and island cities, also yielded in 1790, and a turn later a conquest victory was registered. I even had to run anarchy for the last couple of turns to not cross the dom limit aforetime - two captured cities were due to come out of revolt.
167K smth final score.
Jimmy Thunder
King
Another BTS of the month I was unable to finish in time. Had taken France and Celts by 1850AD (late!) and was planning to continue my conquest with battleships and tanks.
The better AI in BTS makes the warfare much harder and drawn out.
The better AI in BTS makes the warfare much harder and drawn out.
MarkM
Cow Herder
Managed to win, but nothing much exciting to say about this game, made a bunch of boneheaded mistakes, and a couple times paid big. E.g. missing oracle by one turn when I probably could have pulled it off had aI paid better attention, missed liberalism by two turn, and had had the tech for sid's sushi (medicine i think?) researched to well past 95% & a GM ready, when Justinian beat me to it the turn I was going to incorporate. Then I forgot to start building stasis chamber (never played frorspace in BTS before -- or for that matter, played for space in Civ4 more than once before ever -- so I wasn't aware of all the pieces), and ended up not even STARTING building it until all the rest of the components were DONE 
The end game was more interesting than I expected though, Justinian was well ahead of me until near the end, but I was able to incorporate Mining Inc, and also build the space elevator, so after a round of Lab building I had a production advantage & after making sure he wouldn't be able to take a diplomatic victory (he built UN), I expected a cakewalk to the finish line in the mid 1900s. But then out of the blue, less than 10 turns into SS build Justinian declares war and blockades/uses carrier jet fighters to destroys improvements on the east coast of the starting continent, where 3 of my 5 main SS building cities are (and the main one having Maoi Statues and Ironworks, setting me back quite a bit (I think this is where I lost track that I hadn't started stasis chamber ...). AI's blockade tactics were targeted, effective, & timely, I was impressed.
The end game was more interesting than I expected though, Justinian was well ahead of me until near the end, but I was able to incorporate Mining Inc, and also build the space elevator, so after a round of Lab building I had a production advantage & after making sure he wouldn't be able to take a diplomatic victory (he built UN), I expected a cakewalk to the finish line in the mid 1900s. But then out of the blue, less than 10 turns into SS build Justinian declares war and blockades/uses carrier jet fighters to destroys improvements on the east coast of the starting continent, where 3 of my 5 main SS building cities are (and the main one having Maoi Statues and Ironworks, setting me back quite a bit (I think this is where I lost track that I hadn't started stasis chamber ...). AI's blockade tactics were targeted, effective, & timely, I was impressed.
I played as an adventurer, with intent to win any way I could
started off settling in place, 2nd city went to claim the gold and copper in the middle of the continent
built up a Cottage economy and tried to grab as much of the continent as possible
decided i wanted the southern gold as well so DoW on de Gaulle in 980Ad and took rheims which was near the gold and razed tours which had been settled on the gold?!?
got to liberalism first somewhat unexpectedly and made peace
DoW on DeG again in 1620 as had another tech lead and took his core cities leaving him with some rubbishy tundra ones, then accepted his capitulation in 1806
at this point I think space was the only viable way of winning so teched computers and built the internet followed by apollo in 1915
was helped in getting the ship off first by incorporating mining inc and everyone else getting involved in a massive war
I managed to build the space elevator in 1918
managed to finsh the ship first and it arrived in 1957 after 4 and a half hours of play
final score 21049 points
managed to buil a few wonders (collosus, pyramids, 3 gorges, space elevator, christo redentor, eiffel tower and rock and roll) and found taoism, mining inc and creative constructions (just to stop an AI getting it)
started off settling in place, 2nd city went to claim the gold and copper in the middle of the continent
built up a Cottage economy and tried to grab as much of the continent as possible
decided i wanted the southern gold as well so DoW on de Gaulle in 980Ad and took rheims which was near the gold and razed tours which had been settled on the gold?!?
got to liberalism first somewhat unexpectedly and made peace
DoW on DeG again in 1620 as had another tech lead and took his core cities leaving him with some rubbishy tundra ones, then accepted his capitulation in 1806
at this point I think space was the only viable way of winning so teched computers and built the internet followed by apollo in 1915
was helped in getting the ship off first by incorporating mining inc and everyone else getting involved in a massive war
I managed to build the space elevator in 1918
managed to finsh the ship first and it arrived in 1957 after 4 and a half hours of play
final score 21049 points
managed to buil a few wonders (collosus, pyramids, 3 gorges, space elevator, christo redentor, eiffel tower and rock and roll) and found taoism, mining inc and creative constructions (just to stop an AI getting it)
Contender save...I played rather badly, loosing Taj Mahal / Statue of liberty (by one turn !!!), forgeting to switch to free market...loosing communism / economics for free GS/GM by a few turn each time.
I DoW on DeGaulle very late (with rifle) and he was too developped for a fast victory. I had to vassalize him with half his cities taken after 2 successive wars. Gilgamesh backstabbed me and took one city meanwhile...else ot much warring.
I pulled a defensive pact with boudica and so went boringly to space win without much focus.
I realize I should have DoW on degaulle earlier using the whip as my production was rather poor.
I DoW on DeGaulle very late (with rifle) and he was too developped for a fast victory. I had to vassalize him with half his cities taken after 2 successive wars. Gilgamesh backstabbed me and took one city meanwhile...else ot much warring.
I pulled a defensive pact with boudica and so went boringly to space win without much focus.
I realize I should have DoW on degaulle earlier using the whip as my production was rather poor.
I was just too busy this month and was unable to finish in time. Which is a pity as I was all but certain to win a domination or conquest victory. I hit De Gaulle hard as early as I could, early ADs if I recall correctly, capturing Paris on my first try. Two wars eliminated him. I filled in the continent, caught up and then surged ahead in economy (Great Lighthouse and Colossus helped). I used Liberalism to get Rifling for free.
Went to war with Hannibal when I had Cavalry and Riflemen to his Muskets and Longbows only to see him get Grenadiers and Ships of the Line (compared to my Galleons) almost immediately after. So that turned into a much harder war than I'd hoped. I also made an error of sorts, by researching Steel in the midst of trying to bombard his cities with Trebuchets. At least I think it was the unlocking of Cannons that caused my Trebs to suddnely become almost worthless for bombardment.
So it took awhile, but with the addition of Cannons and Ironclads(!) to my forces I was able to drive Hannibal off of his home continent and force him into submission. I also wiped out Spain, which he'd released as a colony. I wanted to turn the former Spanish cities into a colony of my own (or else I wonld have just razed them) but I never had the option. It's supposed to be under Domestic Advisor, right? Maybe it only works for cities that aren't connected by cultural borders to your capital?
As 1800 AD approached I was preparing for war with Bouadica--the strongest AI throughout my game--by massing an army of Riflemen, Grenadiers, Cavalry, Cannons, and some Machine Guns. Before attacking I researched Combustion, for Destroyers, and built a number of Airships. My hope was to bombard from sea and air and quickly overwhelm her, then upgrade to Infantry and mop up the rest of the world. Naturally Bouadica stole Combustion from me with a spy just after I learned it. But a few enemy Destroyers were no match for my hordes. Her best troops died attacking my Machine Guns and I went on to roll over 3 or 4 of her best cities, including the capital, by the time I decided to call it quits. Hopefully this month I'll be able to finish in time!
Went to war with Hannibal when I had Cavalry and Riflemen to his Muskets and Longbows only to see him get Grenadiers and Ships of the Line (compared to my Galleons) almost immediately after. So that turned into a much harder war than I'd hoped. I also made an error of sorts, by researching Steel in the midst of trying to bombard his cities with Trebuchets. At least I think it was the unlocking of Cannons that caused my Trebs to suddnely become almost worthless for bombardment.
So it took awhile, but with the addition of Cannons and Ironclads(!) to my forces I was able to drive Hannibal off of his home continent and force him into submission. I also wiped out Spain, which he'd released as a colony. I wanted to turn the former Spanish cities into a colony of my own (or else I wonld have just razed them) but I never had the option. It's supposed to be under Domestic Advisor, right? Maybe it only works for cities that aren't connected by cultural borders to your capital?
As 1800 AD approached I was preparing for war with Bouadica--the strongest AI throughout my game--by massing an army of Riflemen, Grenadiers, Cavalry, Cannons, and some Machine Guns. Before attacking I researched Combustion, for Destroyers, and built a number of Airships. My hope was to bombard from sea and air and quickly overwhelm her, then upgrade to Infantry and mop up the rest of the world. Naturally Bouadica stole Combustion from me with a spy just after I learned it. But a few enemy Destroyers were no match for my hordes. Her best troops died attacking my Machine Guns and I went on to roll over 3 or 4 of her best cities, including the capital, by the time I decided to call it quits. Hopefully this month I'll be able to finish in time!
Ouch. I hope someone else will double our score. Otherwise I'll feel really sorry I didn't milk the endgame.
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