BOTM 11 Final Spoiler - Game Submitted

[Gosha190]

contender culture victory 1250AD, 60K+

rest of research path:
540 Guilds
580 Banking
---- set research to zero to the end of my game and began to learn Economics because of free GM
1030 Econ
1100 Construction
1170 Compass
1250 Optic

580 Revolution US+Merc, culture = 70%
660 culture =80%
700 Revolution FS+Cast+Pac, culture = 100% to the end of my game

3 GAge: by TM first and 3 GP for next two GA

Finally Capital produced about 1200 cpt during 3-d GA, 2-d city about 1000 cpt, 3-d city 8xx cpt.

I got 11 GA: 1 for capital, 3 for second city, 6 for last city. 1 GA didn't find a job

Wonders:
capital - SX, Oracle, Pyrs, GL, ToA, Zeus, HG, TM
2-d city - Parth, NE, MoM, SCh
3-d - Herm

I got 4 religions and used all +50% boni in all cultural cities.

 

[jesusin]

contender culture victory 1250AD, 60K+
...
580 Revolution US+Merc, culture = 70%
660 culture =80%
700 Revolution FS+Cast+Pac, culture = 100% to the end of my game
...
I got 11 GA: 1 for capital, 3 for second city, 6 for last city. 1 GA didn't find a job

Wonders:
capital - SX, Oracle, Pyrs, GL, ToA, Zeus, HG, TM
2-d city - Parth, NE, MoM, SCh
3-d - Herm

I got 4 religions and used all +50% boni in all cultural cities.

That's very good!

I have no experience about cultural games in warlord level (or in BTS, for that matter). I would like to know more. If this were Vanilla and Deity, I'd say I'd have never used US or built so many WW. In particular delaying Pacifism till 700AD for a 1250AD victory would look like a mistake.

So, would you be interested in replaying part of your game in a different way? For example, take your 1AD save, revolt to Castes+Pacif immediately, hire maximum artists in GPFarm and in all auxiliary cities and play, never using US. I'd be eager to know the result of such an experiment .

 

[Gosha190]

In particular delaying Pacifism till 700AD for a 1250AD victory would look like a mistake.

I got too much different wonders in my capital to turn on caste + pacif early (while other cities were too small to get enougth number of artists).

So, would you be interested in replaying part of your game in a different way? For example, take your 1AD save, revolt to Castes+Pacif immediately, hire maximum artists in GPFarm and in all auxiliary cities and play, never using US. I'd be eager to know the result of such an experiment .

I'm extremely interested in..., but it's my turn to play sgotm... Would you like to get my 1AD or any other date for replaying? It seems that the best date for replaying is 4000BC and you'v got it

And I''ll wait Lexad's game to see his strategy for current map.

 

[nokem]

At 500AD I'd abandoned my religious victory goal and was generally messing around and aiming for the latest possible Liberalism tech pop. In the end I snagged Fission for free. I decided to beeline nukes and mobile units and go for total world blitzkrieg.

So I researched hard all the way to mobile infantry and built a stupidly overpowered army. I nuked half the world back to the stone age and vassalised or killed everyone within about 20 turns. It should have been over in a couple of turns but for some reason Monty would not submit and forced me to destroy every single one of his cities.

Finished with an embarassingly late conquest win: 1953.

nokem

 

[orb]

Just like Harbourboy I also got an accidental Diplo win.

I was going for Domination. - Rolling over Toku when the Diplo vote popped up. I had already vassalised everyone except Toku and was a few percent short of the Domination when I realised the Diplo win would save me a handful of years off the finish date.

Hadn't been playing for it, but Diplo win in 1948. - As always I'm delighted to have a win whatever the flavour.

 

[azzaman333]

The accidental Diplo win seems to be common. I also achieved one on the (very slow) path to conquest. With Monty as my voluntary vassal slave, I forgot that vassals don't count for self-voting and he helped vote me in...

Diplo win in 1904AD.

Also, I think this is the first time I've ever used nukes in a GotM, when I nuked the Japanese twice even though his best units were Samurai and Longbows. Totally worth it, though.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Hmmmm. I can understand getting an accidental domination win. But - how can you accidentally get a diplo win? Sure, you could be UN secretary general and select to have a diplo win vote when you don't actually want to win a diplo victory, but I think that's rather stretching the definition of 'accidentally'

(I guess theoretically you could win if one of the AI was secretary general and chose a diplo win vote, but it would've have to be a very unusual situation for you to be able to achieve a diplo win and yet not be secretary general)

 

[azzaman333]

Hmmmm. I can understand getting an accidental domination win. But - how can you accidentally get a diplo win? Sure, you could be UN secretary general and select to have a diplo win vote when you don't actually want to win a diplo victory, but I think that's rather stretching the definition of 'accidentally'

(I guess theoretically you could win if one of the AI was secretary general and chose a diplo win vote, but it would've have to be a very unusual situation for you to be able to achieve a diplo win and yet not be secretary general)

Well, I was just trying to get through to killing the America/Russia continent as soon as possible, and wasn't really paying much attention to the UN, and all of a sudden I'd voted myself, with help from Monty the voluntary vassal, as Leader of the World. I didn't want to do it, it was accidental!

 

[jesusin]

I'm extremely interested in..., but it's my turn to play sgotm... Would you like to get my 1AD or any other date for replaying? It seems that the best date for replaying is 4000BC and you'v got it

Not at all! I don't think I could get the result you got at 1AD out of the 4000BC save.

I'll be glad to receive and replay your 1AD and/or 500AD saves once the competition is over and the results are announced. The experiment would be more valid if the same player played both versions though...

 

[Gosha190]

the same player will make the same mistakes though...

I'll send my save to you tonight "via Email to jesusin"

 

[jesusin]

the same player will make the same mistakes though...

I'll send my save to you tonight "via Email to jesusin"

I think the rules of the competition forbide the exchange of information out of the spoiler threads while the game is still open. Uploading the save to this thread doesn't look like a good idea either.

Please PM or email it to me the day the results are published, not before (or better, I'll ask you by PM then). I'll report the result in this thread when I'm done.


By the way, the ideal experiment would be you playing the game, changing only your GPP management, but making exactly the same mistakes in every other aspect of the game. That way we are comparing just the two strategies.

 

[Gosha190]

I cann't change GPP management without changing total game development

And I am interested in how you will do that

 

[Gosha190]

Not at all! I don't think I could get the result you got at 1AD out of the 4000BC save. .

OK! I can provide you with 1160BC save - finishing Oracle. At this point you can choose any other game concept.

I think 1AD is too late to change anything in my game.

 

[jesusin]

I cann't change GPP management without changing total game development

And I am interested in how you will do that

Well, hiring artists in the GPFarm and not using OR implies less WW, later cathedrals and more GA; that's all, isn't it?

 

[jesusin]

I think 1AD is too late to change anything in my game.

I'll try to surprise you!

I hate it when people say they didn't do anything but press enter at the end of their cultural games. Let's teach them a lesson!

 

[Gosha190]

Well, hiring artists in the GPFarm and not using OR implies less WW, later cathedrals and more GA; that's all, isn't it?

how many GA do you plan to get?
Will you crash my catteges and build farm?

well, I think we will see your results soon

 

[Harbourboy]

Accidental diplomacy wins are the cool thing to do this season.

 

[The-Hawk]

I pulled off a Liberalism->Radio slingshot in 1545AD ...snip...
The UN was built in Bibracte in 1660AD (without a Great Engineer ).
... snip... 1700AD Diplo win

I decided to go for diplo. Made lots of little mistakes in the early game because I'm not used to playing this level. I took Radio from Liberalism as well, but in 1430 AD. I had UN in 1625 AD (also with no GE). So at this point, I was slightly ahead. I had been working Lincoln and Togu as my block versus Cathy. However, the two of them were different religions and therefore enemies, so I was having "trade with worst enemy" negatives from both. I needed to tech to their respective civics, then wait forever for them to go + for civics. I finally got voted in for an 1830 AD finish.

 

[AluminumKnight]

1980AD Space Victory. Can't submit since I couldn't get the HOF mod to work correctly, though.

Well, this GOTM was my first attempt at not only Space victory, but a full-fledged specialist economy. Obviously, I still have some work to do. By the time I launched, I was around 2000 sustainable bpt, which looks pretty low compared to others. My first mistake was probably not warring Boudica and/or the French early on (I took Tours from France, but that was it), as I then was only left with the land I could expand to peacefully. Also, I only had 2 golden ages throughout the entire game, which doesn't seem to be good.

The good news was, even in 1980, no AI was even close to any victory. Catherine built the Apollo Program 2 turns before game end, and all AIs were still alive and kicking, with Boudica and Louis locked in a standstill war against Lincoln, though Toku and Monty declared on him as well in about 1975.

 

[Dill]

Well, it looks like I'm the only one with a loss...

My aim was the cultural route, but as is my habit I tend to go easy on defense... First the French declared war, but I had just enough to hold them off taking my capital. Then, after getting peace with the French due to my Apostolic palace, Boudica decides to send a stack of doom to Constantinople. My two defenders were quickly eliminated. The 500 year war didn't go too well - every time I thought I could take Const back, the stack was wiped out. Boudica then sent a second stack to my other cities - all of which had minimal defenders.

I had to give up around 1700 - I could not watch city after city fall.

I was looking forward to this game too - I'd been totaly outclassed in all my other GOTMs and I thought I'd have a chance to at least make it to the end-game with a shot of winning.

Currently I'm playing the game again, and having a much happier time!