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[BTS] BOTM 296: Stalin, Emperor - Final spoiler - Game Submitted
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After 1 AD, I continued to build cities as fast as my economy allowed. I managed to establish 2 cities on a neighboring island, but then there were a bunch of barbarian galleys, which were very expensive to fight before the triremes. The rest of the cities on the continent. When I finally learned MC in 940 AD, I had 25 cities. Before that, I traded polytheism for the alphabet from Victoria and mathematics + priesthood for currency from Mehmed. And cut down the Pyramids in 200 AD. Also, my archer, having walked along the southern and eastern coasts of Turkey, met Washington and Churchill just 3 tiles from the place of the warrior's death before 1 AD. It turned out that Victoria still does not know them. But they were not friendly. Washington has not even opened the borders. All 3 AI, including Victoria, had a CoL and no currency, but no one wanted to change. Except for Mehmed, from whom I got the calendar for MC. Therefore, I independently learned CoL (1040) and then CS (1140), for which Mehmed gave me HR and monarchy + construction + monotheism respectively. In 1140, I launched the 1st GA and adopted bureaucracy and org. religion. Before that, I had already accepted Confucianism, which Victoria has spread to more than half of my cities. During the GA, I learned meditation and feudalism, took philosophy with GS, traded machinery + compass for philo + feud, and saved up money to study guilds (1250). A turn before the end of GA, I switched to pacifism.
Before I traded the machinery, there was a dangerous situation when Victoria started plotting something. I was sure it was against Mehmed, who was her worst enemy. But then he suddenly stopped being one, opened his borders to her, and trebuchets began to accumulate in the city next to my Pyramids. I really didn't want to make units before knights, but I still made pre-builds of swords and HA. After I got the machinery, Victoria changed her mind, but I still slaved 7 maces and reinforced them in Yakutsk so that I wouldn't be nervous anymore. Soon Victoria took her stack (20+ units, half siege) to the border with Mehmed. After the guilds, I added 5 knights to the maces anyway.
Then there was a quiet game. I was hoping to trade the optics with Mehmed, but suddenly he didn't want to change it. So I learned it myself. And soon i found Caesar and his vassal Lincoln. I traded aesthetics, literature, and theology with them, but I learned drama (1350) and banking (1360) myself. I also got a Victoria map for aesthetics or theology, and that gave me a circumnavigation. In 1360, I launched the 2nd GA, adopted mercantilism, learned nationalism (1380) and built the TajMahal (1440), extending the GA. Before the end of GA, I learned paper (1390, (traded music 1390)), education (1460), military tradition (1490) and gunpowder (1500). By this point, I already had 31 cities (I couldn't fit any more
). In 23-24 of them, non-stop cuirassier production began. Also I made 13 knights in advance. Before ending GA, I accepted nationalism and theocracy.
I didn't plan on getting Cossacks quickly, but AI unexpectedly accelerated the research. Mehmed started GA, learn education in 4 turns, started learning economics, and when I learned it, switched to liberalism, having missed economics. Victoria had astronomy, PP, engineering and SM. I was hoping to just pick it all up after her capitulation, but it turned out that I didn't have time. That's why I traded PP and engineering (1535) from Caesar and Lincoln for nationalism, then RP (1550) for education (just teched by Caesar) and gunpowder from Lincoln. And took Rifling with liberalism (1555)
Thus, the Cossacks were already taking the last one of the captured cities of India. Since conquering everyone by land would be a long time, due to the size of the map and he landscape with a lot of "bottlenecks", after receiving astronomy from India, I made a fleet of galleons and opened the 2nd front against Lincoln, also about 3-4 galleons supplied the 1st army in England. In 1595 AD, I launched 3rd my own GA, upgraded all cuirassiers, learned communism, chemistry, a third of biology, and accepted first serfdom and free religion, and then the state property and castes
Victoria 1520-1565 (left 1 city, made a vassal, took away astronomy and the scientific method)
Mehmed 2 (1565-1610, left 1 city, made a vassal, took away the constitution and corporations)
Churchill (1615-1675, in 1635 he became a vassal of Washington, completely destroyed)
Washington (1635-1725+, joined the war, becoming Churchill's suzerain, when he had 7 cities left, he was ready to capitulate, but I wanted to capture 2 more, but when I did, he was already Caesar's vassal, so I decided to finish him off, but I didn't have time - he had 1 city left.)
Lincoln/Caesar (1630-1670, captured 10 out of 12 Lincoln cities, a short tactical ceasefire due to unhappy and the need to heal the troops)
Caesar/Lincoln (1680-1725+, finished off Lincoln (1690) and captured 2 cities of Caesar in the southeast and 1 in the west of his empire)
None of the AI has had, is not, and will not have rifling.
Starting in 1615 AD, I had a marathon of 15+ hours of non-stop play in order to make the final save 4 hours before the end of the submission. Because of this, the micro in the management of cities and the planning of wars suffered. Due to the strong unhappy in 1650-1670, I did not have time to get the last great person to launch 4th GA, but I learned biology and physics, although Washington almost beat me to the last one.
Domination, 1725 AD, 112 cities. The last cities I founded for expand my territory got strange names - Seoul,Timbuktu, Mutal, Cusco, Bibracte. Well... I guess the AI of the game is guessing something
Before I traded the machinery, there was a dangerous situation when Victoria started plotting something. I was sure it was against Mehmed, who was her worst enemy. But then he suddenly stopped being one, opened his borders to her, and trebuchets began to accumulate in the city next to my Pyramids. I really didn't want to make units before knights, but I still made pre-builds of swords and HA. After I got the machinery, Victoria changed her mind, but I still slaved 7 maces and reinforced them in Yakutsk so that I wouldn't be nervous anymore. Soon Victoria took her stack (20+ units, half siege) to the border with Mehmed. After the guilds, I added 5 knights to the maces anyway.
Then there was a quiet game. I was hoping to trade the optics with Mehmed, but suddenly he didn't want to change it. So I learned it myself. And soon i found Caesar and his vassal Lincoln. I traded aesthetics, literature, and theology with them, but I learned drama (1350) and banking (1360) myself. I also got a Victoria map for aesthetics or theology, and that gave me a circumnavigation. In 1360, I launched the 2nd GA, adopted mercantilism, learned nationalism (1380) and built the TajMahal (1440), extending the GA. Before the end of GA, I learned paper (1390, (traded music 1390)), education (1460), military tradition (1490) and gunpowder (1500). By this point, I already had 31 cities (I couldn't fit any more
). In 23-24 of them, non-stop cuirassier production began. Also I made 13 knights in advance. Before ending GA, I accepted nationalism and theocracy.I didn't plan on getting Cossacks quickly, but AI unexpectedly accelerated the research. Mehmed started GA, learn education in 4 turns, started learning economics, and when I learned it, switched to liberalism, having missed economics. Victoria had astronomy, PP, engineering and SM. I was hoping to just pick it all up after her capitulation, but it turned out that I didn't have time. That's why I traded PP and engineering (1535) from Caesar and Lincoln for nationalism, then RP (1550) for education (just teched by Caesar) and gunpowder from Lincoln. And took Rifling with liberalism (1555)
Thus, the Cossacks were already taking the last one of the captured cities of India. Since conquering everyone by land would be a long time, due to the size of the map and he landscape with a lot of "bottlenecks", after receiving astronomy from India, I made a fleet of galleons and opened the 2nd front against Lincoln, also about 3-4 galleons supplied the 1st army in England. In 1595 AD, I launched 3rd my own GA, upgraded all cuirassiers, learned communism, chemistry, a third of biology, and accepted first serfdom and free religion, and then the state property and castes
Victoria 1520-1565 (left 1 city, made a vassal, took away astronomy and the scientific method)
Mehmed 2 (1565-1610, left 1 city, made a vassal, took away the constitution and corporations)
Churchill (1615-1675, in 1635 he became a vassal of Washington, completely destroyed)
Washington (1635-1725+, joined the war, becoming Churchill's suzerain, when he had 7 cities left, he was ready to capitulate, but I wanted to capture 2 more, but when I did, he was already Caesar's vassal, so I decided to finish him off, but I didn't have time - he had 1 city left.)
Lincoln/Caesar (1630-1670, captured 10 out of 12 Lincoln cities, a short tactical ceasefire due to unhappy and the need to heal the troops)
Caesar/Lincoln (1680-1725+, finished off Lincoln (1690) and captured 2 cities of Caesar in the southeast and 1 in the west of his empire)
None of the AI has had, is not, and will not have rifling.
Starting in 1615 AD, I had a marathon of 15+ hours of non-stop play in order to make the final save 4 hours before the end of the submission. Because of this, the micro in the management of cities and the planning of wars suffered. Due to the strong unhappy in 1650-1670, I did not have time to get the last great person to launch 4th GA, but I learned biology and physics, although Washington almost beat me to the last one.
Domination, 1725 AD, 112 cities. The last cities I founded for expand my territory got strange names - Seoul,Timbuktu, Mutal, Cusco, Bibracte. Well... I guess the AI of the game is guessing something
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LowtherCastle
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Hey! I did it. First time I have finished a game in several months at least.
1ad currency
25ad archery from ai
125ad GLIB
175ad COL
300ad calendar
325ad Monarchy from ai
400ad Civil service
425ad Bureau+HR
560ad Constr
600ad Machinery
680ad MoM
680ad first Hindu spread!!!!
740ad Paper
840ad Educ
860ad Parthenon
900ad Feudalism
1020ad Music (+GArtist)
1030ad Theol from ai
1120ad PP
1130ad compass+guilds from ai
1130ad circumnavigate
1140ad drama from ai
1140ad GAge #1
1140ad Hinduism+OR
1150ad Engineering
1160ad Banking
1200ad Castes
1200ad Replaceable Parts
1220ad GP
1240ad Rifling
1250ad Slavery+Merc+Theo
1250ad Philo
1290ad Nationalism
1340ad Optics
1350ad GAge #2
1350ad Nationhood+CS
1350ad Chem
1390ad Taj
1400ad DOW Vicky
1400ad Bureau+Slavery+OR
1420ad Steam Power
1460ad Econ (+GM)
1500ad Liberalism (+Steel)
DoP w/Vicky for Astro
In hindsight, because there was so much conquest to be done to reach the domination limit, I should have gone with cavalry after Rifling 1240ad.
From here on out, my game became a long slog, although I must say I enjoyed it. Cristo Redento was a lot of fun. I captured a lot of high espionage point cities so that my espionage points had 0% slider were about 1500 or something crazy like that. So with Criss Rinto, I was able to put my enemies into perpetual revolt when they got close to researching anything dangerous.
I also discovered that fighters and bombers don’t pillage roads. Probably old news for others.
1ad currency
25ad archery from ai
125ad GLIB
175ad COL
300ad calendar
325ad Monarchy from ai
400ad Civil service
425ad Bureau+HR
560ad Constr
600ad Machinery
680ad MoM
680ad first Hindu spread!!!!
740ad Paper
840ad Educ
860ad Parthenon
900ad Feudalism
1020ad Music (+GArtist)
1030ad Theol from ai
1120ad PP
1130ad compass+guilds from ai
1130ad circumnavigate
1140ad drama from ai
1140ad GAge #1
1140ad Hinduism+OR
1150ad Engineering
1160ad Banking
1200ad Castes
1200ad Replaceable Parts
1220ad GP
1240ad Rifling
1250ad Slavery+Merc+Theo
1250ad Philo
1290ad Nationalism
1340ad Optics
1350ad GAge #2
1350ad Nationhood+CS
1350ad Chem
1390ad Taj
1400ad DOW Vicky
1400ad Bureau+Slavery+OR
1420ad Steam Power
1460ad Econ (+GM)
1500ad Liberalism (+Steel)
DoP w/Vicky for Astro
In hindsight, because there was so much conquest to be done to reach the domination limit, I should have gone with cavalry after Rifling 1240ad.
From here on out, my game became a long slog, although I must say I enjoyed it. Cristo Redento was a lot of fun. I captured a lot of high espionage point cities so that my espionage points had 0% slider were about 1500 or something crazy like that. So with Criss Rinto, I was able to put my enemies into perpetual revolt when they got close to researching anything dangerous.
I also discovered that fighters and bombers don’t pillage roads. Probably old news for others.
Conquistador 63
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Submitted a while ago, forgot to post here.
DoW'ed Victoria in 1120AD, eliminated her in 1320AD.
DoW'ed Mehmed in 1530AD, accepted him as a Vassal in 1630AD. Was planning to conquer him, but noticed Augustus was about to declare on us, they had a stack ready to attack one of the former Ottoman cities.
Then I made a terrible mistake: decided to stop warring and started pursuing a late space race victory.
Fast forward to 1850AD. We were #1 in pop, land, hammers, commerce etc. Only 1 tech to go, space parts being built everywhere, maybe 12 turns till launch.
AP diplomatic victory votes called. Washington had the lead against our vassal Mehmed.
The victory screen shows his only friend Augustus was at only +3 diplo towards him. I was pretty sure the AI has to be at +8 or higher to vote for someone else in a diplomatic/AP vote.
But to my disappointment, on the next turn game was over, Washington won a Diplo/AP victory, thanks to Augustus' votes.
After some thinking, the only possible solution to this is that due to the random personalities settings, the hidden modifiers weren't being shown, as they usually are by the Buffy Mod.
Lesson learned, should be more aggressive next time.
DoW'ed Victoria in 1120AD, eliminated her in 1320AD.
DoW'ed Mehmed in 1530AD, accepted him as a Vassal in 1630AD. Was planning to conquer him, but noticed Augustus was about to declare on us, they had a stack ready to attack one of the former Ottoman cities.
Then I made a terrible mistake: decided to stop warring and started pursuing a late space race victory.
Fast forward to 1850AD. We were #1 in pop, land, hammers, commerce etc. Only 1 tech to go, space parts being built everywhere, maybe 12 turns till launch.
AP diplomatic victory votes called. Washington had the lead against our vassal Mehmed.
The victory screen shows his only friend Augustus was at only +3 diplo towards him. I was pretty sure the AI has to be at +8 or higher to vote for someone else in a diplomatic/AP vote.
But to my disappointment, on the next turn game was over, Washington won a Diplo/AP victory, thanks to Augustus' votes.
After some thinking, the only possible solution to this is that due to the random personalities settings, the hidden modifiers weren't being shown, as they usually are by the Buffy Mod.
Lesson learned, should be more aggressive next time.
Welcome to the club of those who thought they knew. Thanks for sharing!Submitted a while ago, forgot to post here.
DoW'ed Victoria in 1120AD, eliminated her in 1320AD.
DoW'ed Mehmed in 1530AD, accepted him as a Vassal in 1630AD. Was planning to conquer him, but noticed Augustus was about to declare on us, they had a stack ready to attack one of the former Ottoman cities.
Then I made a terrible mistake: decided to stop warring and started pursuing a late space race victory.
Fast forward to 1850AD. We were #1 in pop, land, hammers, commerce etc. Only 1 tech to go, space parts being built everywhere, maybe 12 turns till launch.
AP diplomatic victory votes called. Washington had the lead against our vassal Mehmed.
The victory screen shows his only friend Augustus was at only +3 diplo towards him. I was pretty sure the AI has to be at +8 or higher to vote for someone else in a diplomatic/AP vote.
But to my disappointment, on the next turn game was over, Washington won a Diplo/AP victory, thanks to Augustus' votes.
After some thinking, the only possible solution to this is that due to the random personalities settings, the hidden modifiers weren't being shown, as they usually are by the Buffy Mod.
Lesson learned, should be more aggressive next time.
LowtherCastle
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As mentioned in the first spoiler, I was having computer problems with multiple crashes/restarts so I didn't feel comfortable submitting my game.
With that said, I played until 820 AD. I only had 15 cities and was in a war with Victoria for taking too much of "my" land. It was slow going since it was being fought with swords, axes and cats. However, Vicky was very weak (about 70% of my power) and her cities were falling easily with a cat or two lost and maybe one unlucky axe/sword per attack.
I had met Washington, Augustus, and Mehmed by this time so 2 rivals were still unknown. My tech pace was decent (MC in 740 AD, Civil Service in 580 AD, Music in 375 AD) with a clear tech advantage over everyone.
With how big the map was, I'm kind of grateful that I ran into computer issues because I've been a bit pressed for Civ IV playtime recently and likely wouldn't have had time to finish the game anyway.
I missed the submission date, otherwise I would upload my incomplete game.
@Bemep42 Thanks for the great writeup.
@LowtherCastle Congrats on finishing your game! Fingers crossed that you win an award.
@Conquistador 63 What a bummer to lose that way after such a long game. I'm very surprised that an AI voted at only +3 visible, regardless of the random personalities.
With that said, I played until 820 AD. I only had 15 cities and was in a war with Victoria for taking too much of "my" land. It was slow going since it was being fought with swords, axes and cats. However, Vicky was very weak (about 70% of my power) and her cities were falling easily with a cat or two lost and maybe one unlucky axe/sword per attack.
I had met Washington, Augustus, and Mehmed by this time so 2 rivals were still unknown. My tech pace was decent (MC in 740 AD, Civil Service in 580 AD, Music in 375 AD) with a clear tech advantage over everyone.
With how big the map was, I'm kind of grateful that I ran into computer issues because I've been a bit pressed for Civ IV playtime recently and likely wouldn't have had time to finish the game anyway.
I missed the submission date, otherwise I would upload my incomplete game.
@Bemep42 Thanks for the great writeup.
@LowtherCastle Congrats on finishing your game! Fingers crossed that you win an award.
@Conquistador 63 What a bummer to lose that way after such a long game. I'm very surprised that an AI voted at only +3 visible, regardless of the random personalities.
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