^We could probably use a better mapmaker on the staff... we are a bit shorthanded. 
BOTM 59 Final Spoiler - game submitted or abandoned
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I just won a surprise conquest victory, and have not yet read through the tread to see if the same happened to others... Can someone explain to me why I won? I am 100% of the population, and about 6% of land. All 8 opponents still register as alive in the victory screen. I won once I captures (and razed) the last enemy city, but there must surely have been scouts still floating around (and I certianly did not get close to the scout I spotted early on on a one tile island.)
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A Conquest win is registered any time after T10 when only one Civ has a City, regardless of the "complete kills" setting.
Yep, I read the thread now, and see I am far from the first caught off guard by this. At least I was in the happy half of the group...
If I had not seen the scout on the island, I might have razed all but the last city. Once I saw it, I decided to keep the first city I coulg get my hands on, so that I could start researching sailing and building a settler.
The scout, I had guessed, was a "flag", leading me to some other mongoles on another land mass in the SE corner, and I was guessing that I would have to build a gally, so I was trying to get that done as quickly as possible.
Luckily, this meant I kept two cities before capturing the last, so the surprise was at least a win.
If I had not seen the scout on the island, I might have razed all but the last city. Once I saw it, I decided to keep the first city I coulg get my hands on, so that I could start researching sailing and building a settler.
The scout, I had guessed, was a "flag", leading me to some other mongoles on another land mass in the SE corner, and I was guessing that I would have to build a gally, so I was trying to get that done as quickly as possible.
Luckily, this meant I kept two cities before capturing the last, so the surprise was at least a win.
Damn, i was thinking about going culture, as i dont have a botm culture yet.
My game was very unfocussed, took babylon, kyoto and athens, made peace with everyone, oracled CS before i decided just to go domination, teched hbr and drama. Built lots of HA's and settlers.
At least i am glad i didnt repeat my humbaba conquest loss.
keiselhorn13
Chieftain
Very enjoyable game. I look forward to more GOTMs with settler-less starts, it's a change from routine. 
In 475bc after taking Persepolis, Kyoto and Akkad (hindu holy city), had 4 rivals: Babylon, Zulu, Pacal and Pericles. I was at a crossroads: should I attempt conquest or not...
I decided to go for culture, reasons:
(1) I'm lame on conquest/domination (Roman GOTM confirmed this)
(2) Wanted to have a go on the Philosophical trait
and especially (3)Persepolis was in a sweet spot for wonders and GP farming, what a dream
4 cows, flood plains, hills with iron, it looked beautiful.
Decided to make Kyoto a military and support city, wanted FP tiles for the 3 legendary.
The AI researched slowly and built even slower, so I had the pick on the wonders... built all those that matter and also the ones to enhance GPs.
Pacal expanded but never became dangerous, Hammy wasn't a serious cultural competitor, was busy expanding and also got crippled cos I pillaged his capital's cows during taking of his holy city.
Pericles was barely expanding, more concerned about convert other civs. He tried to convert zulus to his judaism, but I was faster and converted them to confi. Later he would convert Hammy though. Pacal was buddist.
I had heaps of fun, the game was largely micromanagement, and I would give old techs whenever they asked. Nobody ever declared war on me (kept military in check, unlike BOTM58), Pericles even asked to be vassalised
Had 1 turn of anarchy for slavery and that was it (edit: My mistake. There was also confu and OR changes anarchy). In 1400ad, triggered a GA (was forced to spend a Great Artist, needed to revolt asap) and changed to Pacifism, Caste, FS and Rep. 2nd GA came with Taj (switched to Mercantilism), 3rd GA with GP and GS. 2 turns after this GA ended, had 4th GA with GS, GP and Economics GM. Total 48 turns in Golden Age.
The Philo trait helped heaps, Persepolis was producing 450% GPP during GAs. 350%GPP on the other big 2 (Moscow + St Petersburg). Built 15 cathedrals, and thanks to wonder and representation powered specialists managed to keep culture slider at 100%from start to end of GAs, still researching.
Culture victory 1735ad. I don't think I would be able to do it in a much higher difficulty game though, the AI let me have the pick on wonders, stayed peaceful, it was really a builders game... glad I took Persepolis instead of going east...
And to think I almost ruined my game at the start by inviting mongols to attack in forest and hills... I forgot mounted don't get defensive bonus
In 475bc after taking Persepolis, Kyoto and Akkad (hindu holy city), had 4 rivals: Babylon, Zulu, Pacal and Pericles. I was at a crossroads: should I attempt conquest or not...
I decided to go for culture, reasons:
(1) I'm lame on conquest/domination (Roman GOTM confirmed this)
(2) Wanted to have a go on the Philosophical trait
and especially (3)Persepolis was in a sweet spot for wonders and GP farming, what a dream
4 cows, flood plains, hills with iron, it looked beautiful.Decided to make Kyoto a military and support city, wanted FP tiles for the 3 legendary.
The AI researched slowly and built even slower, so I had the pick on the wonders... built all those that matter and also the ones to enhance GPs.
Pacal expanded but never became dangerous, Hammy wasn't a serious cultural competitor, was busy expanding and also got crippled cos I pillaged his capital's cows during taking of his holy city.
Pericles was barely expanding, more concerned about convert other civs. He tried to convert zulus to his judaism, but I was faster and converted them to confi. Later he would convert Hammy though. Pacal was buddist.
I had heaps of fun, the game was largely micromanagement, and I would give old techs whenever they asked. Nobody ever declared war on me (kept military in check, unlike BOTM58), Pericles even asked to be vassalised
Had 1 turn of anarchy for slavery and that was it (edit: My mistake. There was also confu and OR changes anarchy). In 1400ad, triggered a GA (was forced to spend a Great Artist, needed to revolt asap) and changed to Pacifism, Caste, FS and Rep. 2nd GA came with Taj (switched to Mercantilism), 3rd GA with GP and GS. 2 turns after this GA ended, had 4th GA with GS, GP and Economics GM. Total 48 turns in Golden Age.
The Philo trait helped heaps, Persepolis was producing 450% GPP during GAs. 350%GPP on the other big 2 (Moscow + St Petersburg). Built 15 cathedrals, and thanks to wonder and representation powered specialists managed to keep culture slider at 100%from start to end of GAs, still researching.
Culture victory 1735ad. I don't think I would be able to do it in a much higher difficulty game though, the AI let me have the pick on wonders, stayed peaceful, it was really a builders game... glad I took Persepolis instead of going east...
And to think I almost ruined my game at the start by inviting mongols to attack in forest and hills... I forgot mounted don't get defensive bonus
bcool
Deity
I enjoyed the game, but I had a pretty horrible early game. I lost 3 of my Keshiks in the beginning. I ran away, but split my Keshiks up to hunt for huts. I apparently accidently backtracked on one and it was killed by the Mongols. I hit the edge of the map and that one died horribly as well. Another went for revenge and was killed. With my last Keshik I took out Hammurabi and tried to hide from the Mongols in my 1 city.
I ended up getting 2 huts for ~130 gold and the one city. The Mongols razed the Indian capital and apparently wandered the map until I finally killed the last one when it came to visit ~T90.
I was a little sad to see my early Keshiks killed off, so I didn't think I had much hope for an early victory. I settled in for a space race game because I wanted to experiment with early teching strategies. I didn't take Noble AI seriously enough in the wonder races though. I leisurely tried to build the Great Wall (lost by 2 turns), then the pyramids (lost by 3-4 turns), then the oracle (lost by 1 turn). It wasn't looking good until I decided I had to go kill off the AI who built all of these wonders.
Captured the pyramids from the Persians, fought off Shaka who was called in to help the Persians. And expanded rapidly (I built a mostly plains cottage bureaucracy capital -- not too bad with all the cows for food).
I went for an early Biology and beelined railroad and corporations. Peaceful except finished off Shaka for his land eventually.
Space Race Victory 1605 AD
I ended up getting 2 huts for ~130 gold and the one city. The Mongols razed the Indian capital and apparently wandered the map until I finally killed the last one when it came to visit ~T90.
I was a little sad to see my early Keshiks killed off, so I didn't think I had much hope for an early victory. I settled in for a space race game because I wanted to experiment with early teching strategies. I didn't take Noble AI seriously enough in the wonder races though. I leisurely tried to build the Great Wall (lost by 2 turns), then the pyramids (lost by 3-4 turns), then the oracle (lost by 1 turn). It wasn't looking good until I decided I had to go kill off the AI who built all of these wonders.
Captured the pyramids from the Persians, fought off Shaka who was called in to help the Persians. And expanded rapidly (I built a mostly plains cottage bureaucracy capital -- not too bad with all the cows for food).
I went for an early Biology and beelined railroad and corporations. Peaceful except finished off Shaka for his land eventually.
Space Race Victory 1605 AD
Accidently stumbled upon this BOTM when browsing the forum. I hadn't played a BOTM in a looooong time, and absolutely loved this setup. Let's have more of this. 
For the record : razed Delhi, took Babylon as first city, razed Kyoto and took the Zulu capital as second city. then filled in the land in between. I also tried to eliminate the Maya, but they had two cities and holkans by the time I got there. Got into a vendetta with Persia which was settled after several wars with their capitulation. Then did the same thing with the Maya. I left Pericles alone during the whole game.
I played purely for fun, enjoying my very inadequate warfare methods and rejoycing in a domination victory in 1946AD.
Looking forward to next month !
For the record : razed Delhi, took Babylon as first city, razed Kyoto and took the Zulu capital as second city. then filled in the land in between. I also tried to eliminate the Maya, but they had two cities and holkans by the time I got there. Got into a vendetta with Persia which was settled after several wars with their capitulation. Then did the same thing with the Maya. I left Pericles alone during the whole game.
I played purely for fun, enjoying my very inadequate warfare methods and rejoycing in a domination victory in 1946AD.
Looking forward to next month !
WelshGandalf
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As per my first spoiler, I didn't have a great start, capturing Babylon then losing it to the Mongols. Next I took Athens which became me new home. I was well behind in the early game, having 2 cities in 500BC and not that much room to expand to. Also the Mongols sent frequent raids at me.
I decided from a fairly early stage to go for a diplo win. Partly because I was getting on well with people, partly because I figured no-one else would be. To this end, I managed to get Physics with Liberalism This really helped my pretty small empire to get back into the tech race.
I eventually managed to scramble together a ragtag bunch of troops to take the fight to the Mongolians. 4 airships helped too. As I was taking their cities, the Japanese declared on my with quite a scary stack, for Noble level. I really had my pants down as my stack of doom was deep in Mongolian lands trying to get their last 2 cities. The Japanese took 1 ex-Mongolian city, but then made a poor tactical decision by withdrawing the stack and attacking one of my established cities instead. This gave me enough time to whip a pile of soldiers that *just* managed to hold the hill city against them. Eventually I had my revenge and took most of the Japanese cities.
In 1842AD I built the UN (speeded by a GE at about 5% chance). The plan up to that point was to make Persia the #1 civ so I had been gifting them cities and such, as they were not friendly with me but the other many players were. However once I built the UN I could see that Persia wouldn't be overtaking the Indians as the biggest civ any time soon. So instead I concentrated on increasing my population and making Persia friendly with me.
This was going alright and I was around 15 votes short when I first proposed a diplomatic victory for myself. Next time the vote came around however, the diplomatic victory wasn't available! What is this madness? Seems I found a previously undocumented bug. A good 3 or 4 votes passed without the option to pick a diplomatic victory vote. For the later ones, BUG reported that I had enough votes to win too. One of 2 things I did brought it back again - either proposing a different proposition first (which passed), or wiping out the Greeks/Babylonians (who had a scout each on the islands). Finally, I thought I can get the victory.
Then this happened....
The next vote was for UN secretary, and then FINALLY, in the vote afterwards (1939AD), I secured victory, thanks to a) settling some random new cities, b) establishing ceral mills, and crucially c) flipping an Indian city.
Fun setup, completely irritating last 50 turns though!
I decided from a fairly early stage to go for a diplo win. Partly because I was getting on well with people, partly because I figured no-one else would be. To this end, I managed to get Physics with Liberalism
This really helped my pretty small empire to get back into the tech race.I eventually managed to scramble together a ragtag bunch of troops to take the fight to the Mongolians. 4 airships helped too.
As I was taking their cities, the Japanese declared on my with quite a scary stack, for Noble level. I really had my pants down as my stack of doom was deep in Mongolian lands trying to get their last 2 cities. The Japanese took 1 ex-Mongolian city, but then made a poor tactical decision by withdrawing the stack and attacking one of my established cities instead. This gave me enough time to whip a pile of soldiers that *just* managed to hold the hill city against them. Eventually I had my revenge and took most of the Japanese cities.In 1842AD I built the UN (speeded by a GE at about 5% chance
). The plan up to that point was to make Persia the #1 civ so I had been gifting them cities and such, as they were not friendly with me but the other many players were. However once I built the UN I could see that Persia wouldn't be overtaking the Indians as the biggest civ any time soon. So instead I concentrated on increasing my population and making Persia friendly with me. This was going alright and I was around 15 votes short when I first proposed a diplomatic victory for myself. Next time the vote came around however, the diplomatic victory wasn't available! What is this madness? Seems I found a previously undocumented bug. A good 3 or 4 votes passed without the option to pick a diplomatic victory vote. For the later ones, BUG reported that I had enough votes to win too. One of 2 things I did brought it back again - either proposing a different proposition first (which passed), or wiping out the Greeks/Babylonians (who had a scout each on the islands). Finally, I thought I can get the victory.
Then this happened....
The next vote was for UN secretary, and then FINALLY, in the vote afterwards (1939AD), I secured victory, thanks to a) settling some random new cities, b) establishing ceral mills, and crucially c) flipping an Indian city.
Fun setup, completely irritating last 50 turns though!
zbgayumn
Emperor
This was definitely an interesting way to start. I am such a builder that I barely even considered razing the enemy capitals. It seemed obvious that I should run from the mongols to the east, and I spread my keshiks north and south before moving them all westward. My first conquest was Babylon, and then I camped outside Athens for two turns to see them reach size 2. By the time I found Kyoto I was worried about having my early cities too far apart, so I did raze that one. When I discovered the Zulus they had two cities. I made a brief attempt to take them out, but I couldn't do it with just the four Keshiks (I think I lost one at that point).
While I was doing all that, Genghis had taken out Asoka and started building out from Dehli. Persia, Zululand, Maya, Mongolia, and Russia were left to cover the plains. I got Stonehenge and started settling cities widely to get a start on Domination. A few more wonders plus Confucianism and Taoism allowed me to blot out the southwestern quadrant of the map in Russian Red. Getting a variety of health resources and any happiness resources drove me to expand eastward. That happened to be where the Mongols were, so they had to die.
Despite being an era ahead with my units, I always seem to get bogged down waiting for cats/trebs to move in. Mongols had a lot of city walls, which makes bombardment ridiculously slow. After that, I occupied basically the southern half of the map (42% of the land). I was hopeful that I could break 60% just by taking the Mayan lands, but the Zulu border expansions left me no choice but to attack him too. I went from Knights to Cuirassiers while fighting the Maya and then on to Cossacks about 10 turns before I finally broke 60%. I was seriously annoyed when I got ejected from Mayan lands right before I took their last city because they vassalized themselves to the Zulu. With all that, I finished in 1826 for about 60,000 points. For me that's a really good score.
I think I had just enough time with Biology to pad my score a little. The thing that really hurt me at the end was that Shaka had the AP, and I had I defy two resolutions to stop the war against him. The unhappiness was actually causing starvation in some cities when I won.
While I was doing all that, Genghis had taken out Asoka and started building out from Dehli. Persia, Zululand, Maya, Mongolia, and Russia were left to cover the plains. I got Stonehenge and started settling cities widely to get a start on Domination. A few more wonders plus Confucianism and Taoism allowed me to blot out the southwestern quadrant of the map in Russian Red. Getting a variety of health resources and any happiness resources drove me to expand eastward. That happened to be where the Mongols were, so they had to die.
Despite being an era ahead with my units, I always seem to get bogged down waiting for cats/trebs to move in. Mongols had a lot of city walls, which makes bombardment ridiculously slow. After that, I occupied basically the southern half of the map (42% of the land). I was hopeful that I could break 60% just by taking the Mayan lands, but the Zulu border expansions left me no choice but to attack him too. I went from Knights to Cuirassiers while fighting the Maya and then on to Cossacks about 10 turns before I finally broke 60%. I was seriously annoyed when I got ejected from Mayan lands right before I took their last city because they vassalized themselves to the Zulu. With all that, I finished in 1826 for about 60,000 points. For me that's a really good score.
I think I had just enough time with Biology to pad my score a little. The thing that really hurt me at the end was that Shaka had the AP, and I had I defy two resolutions to stop the war against him. The unhappiness was actually causing starvation in some cities when I won.
Initial plan after seeing the setup: Save the Keshiks and scout/rampage. Be careful not to get too many cities in order not to go on strike.
As a lot of others I saw the scout, read the info carefully and thought I would have to get a boat to kill the scout.
I almost lost Putin to mother theresa and then redlined to barbarians from a hut. Fortunately the free wins saved Putin.
I felt lucky getting to a size 2 babylon with a single warrior in it, and went for all the cities I could get. Upgraded moral for the extra movement and spread out. Took them down one by one while trying to play safe as I didn't know how many Khan's were left.
Finished off the known cities and boom, conquest victory in 3280BC.
Fun game, very different, but too fast imo.
As a lot of others I saw the scout, read the info carefully and thought I would have to get a boat to kill the scout.
I almost lost Putin to mother theresa and then redlined to barbarians from a hut. Fortunately the free wins saved Putin.
I felt lucky getting to a size 2 babylon with a single warrior in it, and went for all the cities I could get. Upgraded moral for the extra movement and spread out. Took them down one by one while trying to play safe as I didn't know how many Khan's were left.
Finished off the known cities and boom, conquest victory
in 3280BC.Fun game, very different, but too fast imo.
Falabello
Prince
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Hey, how can I do this? Transform an easy game in another hard 
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While I was expanding my Empire, the Greek, Japanese and Mongol Empires did the same. My Conquest of the world was very hard because I wanted to settle the entire planet. So, each new conquered city was accepted. And several times I had to stop the war to rebalance my finances
. It was another game to learn something about how to maintain a war 
I started with the Mongols, and then finished the Japanese Empire. The last Japanese city was coastal in the Great Lake. I built a Galley and discovered the remaining units 
. The Zulu and Babylonian Empires were destroyed at the same time I was conquering the Greek cities. I did not expect that, but it happened: Domi victory ??? I didnt understand: what exactly is complete kills ?
This game, despite Noble, was hard but entertaining. In the beginning I thought to send one unit to each side, but I had no courage. When I found Mutal with one warrior I realize it was possible and the Conquest would be easier. But in the end, despite the very late date, I did what I wanted and my Empire became giant ! Thanks for this different game!
?While I was expanding my Empire, the Greek, Japanese and Mongol Empires did the same. My Conquest of the world was very hard because I wanted to settle the entire planet. So, each new conquered city was accepted. And several times I had to stop the war to rebalance my finances
. It was another game to learn something about how to maintain a war
I started with the Mongols, and then finished the Japanese Empire. The last Japanese city was coastal in the Great Lake. I built a Galley and discovered the remaining units . The Zulu and Babylonian Empires were destroyed at the same time I was conquering the Greek cities. I did not expect that, but it happened: Domi victory ??? I didnt understand: what exactly is complete kills ?This game, despite Noble, was hard but entertaining
. In the beginning I thought to send one unit to each side, but I had no courage. When I found Mutal with one warrior I realize it was possible and the Conquest would be easier. But in the end, despite the very late date, I did what I wanted and my Empire became giant ! Thanks for this different game!Chris1229
Chieftain
Continuing from my First spoiler.
I built the Great Wall. It was very helpful with all the fog GK and I created when we were gallivanting spawned hordes of a Barbarians, that were roaming the map in considerable force until 1700's-ish.
I never made peace with GK; yet, only battled him once before 700 A.D., when he took Dehli from me the turn after i took it from Asoka. I was starting to feel like he was out rexing me and would soon catch me. So I sent some horse archers over to his territory and began to raze and pillage. From 700 to 1580 I continued to harass him using my horse archers to circle around behind the strongly defended cities on our borders to raze a weakly defended city and move outside his borders, repeating this tactic as many times as opportunity allowed me. He built several mini stacks and sent them towards my cities but the were catapulted and then destroyed by my ax men. I took his last city in 1580.
While I was occupied bringing the pain to GK; Hammurabi had expanded his empire to rival the size of my own, and Asoka built the Apostolic Palace, but couldn't get the votes when i took out GK who had shared his religion.
I began to grow tired of manage so many cities with such a sprawling empire, and decide that the fast path to victory would be a religious one. Thinking that if i made Asoka my vassal (which would be fairly easy since he had a small empire compared to Hammy and I),while capturing the AP, he would vote for me.
In 1750, my knights (with a bare minimum of siege support) plunged across Asoka's borders, in both the northern and southern extremities of his longitudinally oriented empire. He was tougher than I thought, whipping out pikes to support his longbows. He refused to capitulate until 1822, when I had captured half his cities.
As you guys probably already knew would happen, Asoka voted for himself even after capitulating. That made me glad I had been bee lining for the UN.
By sending my Cossacks into four of Hammi's cities in the two turns before the first vote, i was able to gather enough votes to win diplo.
This game wasn't even close to being my best effort, but everything worked out pretty well for me. Thanks to kcd for the great map and scenario concept. It was a very enjoyable bloodbath for me.
I built the Great Wall. It was very helpful with all the fog GK and I created when we were gallivanting spawned hordes of a Barbarians, that were roaming the map in considerable force until 1700's-ish.
I never made peace with GK; yet, only battled him once before 700 A.D., when he took Dehli from me the turn after i took it from Asoka. I was starting to feel like he was out rexing me and would soon catch me. So I sent some horse archers over to his territory and began to raze and pillage. From 700 to 1580 I continued to harass him using my horse archers to circle around behind the strongly defended cities on our borders to raze a weakly defended city and move outside his borders, repeating this tactic as many times as opportunity allowed me. He built several mini stacks and sent them towards my cities but the were catapulted and then destroyed by my ax men. I took his last city in 1580.
While I was occupied bringing the pain to GK; Hammurabi had expanded his empire to rival the size of my own, and Asoka built the Apostolic Palace, but couldn't get the votes when i took out GK who had shared his religion.
I began to grow tired of manage so many cities with such a sprawling empire, and decide that the fast path to victory would be a religious one. Thinking that if i made Asoka my vassal (which would be fairly easy since he had a small empire compared to Hammy and I),while capturing the AP, he would vote for me.
In 1750, my knights (with a bare minimum of siege support) plunged across Asoka's borders, in both the northern and southern extremities of his longitudinally oriented empire. He was tougher than I thought, whipping out pikes to support his longbows. He refused to capitulate until 1822, when I had captured half his cities.
As you guys probably already knew would happen, Asoka voted for himself even after capitulating. That made me glad I had been bee lining for the UN.
By sending my Cossacks into four of Hammi's cities in the two turns before the first vote, i was able to gather enough votes to win diplo.
This game wasn't even close to being my best effort, but everything worked out pretty well for me. Thanks to kcd for the great map and scenario concept. It was a very enjoyable bloodbath for me.
Conquistador 63
Deity
Started the game spreading my troops to the surrounding hills (followed wwassme's suggestion in the pre-game discussion thread).
Captured Babylon t7. Peace with mongols t10. Razed Kyoto, Persepolis and Athens shortly thereafter. Planned to do the same with the remaining AI capitols (Zulu, Maya, as Delhi was mongol at that time) but those AIs had early archers so just kept capturing workers when available. Ended up conquering those cities much later.
I had plans of going Culture but somehow I did not found Hindu even if I was 1st to Poly, so this weird event made me change my mind and pursue a space victory instead.
Expanded to 25 cities and kept land barely below the Domination limit (had to gift away a few cities in the end). Planned for a Corp economy but never founded one, I think State Property was good enough in this map.
Run a 60 turn long Golden Age from 800AD (t150) to 1500AD (t210). Launched in 1490AD for a 1545AD win.
It was amusing to see GK's SOD wandering around his own lands (former India) looking for his enemies but trapped inside my culture borders. As he never made peace with a few of the cityless AI's, I believe he had "enough on his hands" so he would never declare on me again.
Captured Babylon t7. Peace with mongols t10. Razed Kyoto, Persepolis and Athens shortly thereafter. Planned to do the same with the remaining AI capitols (Zulu, Maya, as Delhi was mongol at that time) but those AIs had early archers so just kept capturing workers when available. Ended up conquering those cities much later.
I had plans of going Culture but somehow I did not found Hindu even if I was 1st to Poly, so this weird event made me change my mind and pursue a space victory instead.
Expanded to 25 cities and kept land barely below the Domination limit (had to gift away a few cities in the end). Planned for a Corp economy but never founded one, I think State Property was good enough in this map.
Run a 60 turn long Golden Age from 800AD (t150) to 1500AD (t210). Launched in 1490AD for a 1545AD win.
It was amusing to see GK's SOD wandering around his own lands (former India) looking for his enemies but trapped inside my culture borders. As he never made peace with a few of the cityless AI's, I believe he had "enough on his hands" so he would never declare on me again.
Htadus
A and L's dad
Last night....I mean 4 hours ago...I finished this game and it was as chaotic as I could make it be. First I though this would be fast conquest game. But after capturing 3 capitals and keeping them, and the AI were not dying off I figured kcd must have pulled some evilness in this game. So I figured I will play culture game with a twist. Aim for gold but instead of Domi use culture win as the end game. Also I decided to keep all the civs around and relocate them strategically so I will not trigger a domination like I have done twice in the past xotm's so far trying to do the same.
LC cities were Babylon, Mutal and a new Russian city instead of Perry's old capital since it did not have enough food. Found a great city site with 2 pigs and 2 corn. Yay! right? Nope. Asoka had other ideas and founded Bombay a little off but was a very nice site. So we had to have it. But just before We (Peter) attacked it Genghis captures it. We are no longer at war with Genghis. So I waited for Katherine to meet up with the waiting Putin (? I think) before attacking Genghis. The problem was (I did not see this) there was one of Genghis' Keshiks next to Russian Persepolis. So I gifted Persepolis (Buddhist holy city) to Asoka since he was no longer at war. And after we took Bombay from Genghis, we took Asoka's capital to help him out with high maintenance
. And so the LC cities were selected. I captured a city with Buddhism from Asoka and built a few missionaries and gave back the city to him after peace was declared. This game was bizarre even for me.
New geography:
I though kcd did a poor job off placing nations on this map. So, I gave Japanese capital to Greeks, Zulu capital to Babylonians, Persian capital to Indians and very later a captured barb city to Mayans. I had all intention of giving each a city bit then I ran out of time as the deadline loomed and forgot my plans. I am sad to report the surviving Japanese scout died by a lonely barb warrior that also killed one of my un protected settlers.
Mistakes:
Oh yeah there were a few bad ones to go along with poor play.
Espionage:
So I find myself with no Marble and no one wanted to trade with me after all the AI switch to Hindu thanks to Asoka spreading it very generously. So I decided to place espy points on on Peri for techs and Hammy for civic changes and culture spreading.
Eventually we got marble from Hammy after several culture spread missions and religion switches. Hammy kept on changing back to Hindu from Buddhist but Peri stayed Buddhist.
Fun game kcd and thank you. Within 2 turns of winning the game, Microsoft decided it was a good time to do a windows update. Granted it was 3 AM but for crying out loud, where is the "I am a civfanatic, ask before making any updates" button on the automatic update dialogue box. kcd I PMed you already I hope you got it.
Babylon
Oh yeah I am not sure what to do with the 2 GE's, a GS from Physics and the newest GA that was born on the turn after the win. Oh well, bad planning. Those damn GE's showing up with less than 25% chance. Actually used another GE to build the SoL in 6 turns in Mutal. The empire was in the middle of 3rd GA.
EDIT: Nice work C63
LC cities were Babylon, Mutal and a new Russian city instead of Perry's old capital since it did not have enough food. Found a great city site with 2 pigs and 2 corn. Yay! right? Nope. Asoka had other ideas and founded Bombay a little off but was a very nice site. So we had to have it. But just before We (Peter) attacked it Genghis captures it. We are no longer at war with Genghis. So I waited for Katherine to meet up with the waiting Putin (? I think) before attacking Genghis. The problem was (I did not see this) there was one of Genghis' Keshiks next to Russian Persepolis. So I gifted Persepolis (Buddhist holy city) to Asoka since he was no longer at war. And after we took Bombay from Genghis, we took Asoka's capital to help him out with high maintenance
. And so the LC cities were selected. I captured a city with Buddhism from Asoka and built a few missionaries and gave back the city to him after peace was declared. This game was bizarre even for me. New geography:
I though kcd did a poor job off placing nations on this map. So, I gave Japanese capital to Greeks, Zulu capital to Babylonians, Persian capital to Indians and very later a captured barb city to Mayans. I had all intention of giving each a city bit then I ran out of time as the deadline loomed and forgot my plans. I am sad to report the surviving Japanese scout died by a lonely barb warrior that also killed one of my un protected settlers.
Mistakes:
Oh yeah there were a few bad ones to go along with poor play.
- Peter had 6 religions and built only about 5 main religious building for each city.
- Did not whip LC cities after they grew to size 12 and up (This may not be a real bad play)
- No whip in general after 1AD and there are too many forests are around.
- Accidently selected Communism from Lib instead of Biology.
- Did not settle the Marble city before Hammy did. What was I thinking?
Espionage:
So I find myself with no Marble and no one wanted to trade with me after all the AI switch to Hindu thanks to Asoka spreading it very generously. So I decided to place espy points on on Peri for techs and Hammy for civic changes and culture spreading.
Eventually we got marble from Hammy after several culture spread missions and religion switches. Hammy kept on changing back to Hindu from Buddhist but Peri stayed Buddhist.
Fun game kcd and thank you. Within 2 turns of winning the game, Microsoft decided it was a good time to do a windows update. Granted it was 3 AM but for crying out loud, where is the "I am a civfanatic, ask before making any updates" button on the automatic update dialogue box. kcd I PMed you already I hope you got it.
Babylon
Oh yeah I am not sure what to do with the 2 GE's, a GS from Physics and the newest GA that was born on the turn after the win. Oh well, bad planning. Those damn GE's showing up with less than 25% chance. Actually used another GE to build the SoL in 6 turns in Mutal. The empire was in the middle of 3rd GA.
EDIT: Nice work C63
keiselhorn13
Chieftain
Thanks everybody for describing your games, great reading
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@htadus: Nice cultural game was it a struggle to keep under domination limit?
Babylon looked preety good, 1617 cpt in the end (I suppose you won in 1500ad right?)... my best legendary was Persepolis, I struggled to get 1000 cpt at its peak...
Maybe I should have fought more
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@htadus: Nice cultural game
was it a struggle to keep under domination limit?Babylon looked preety good, 1617 cpt in the end (I suppose you won in 1500ad right?)... my best legendary was Persepolis, I struggled to get 1000 cpt at its peak...
Maybe I should have fought more
Htadus
A and L's dad
@ keiselhorn13
It was not difficult to stay under domination limit at first but then one of the Hammy cities flipped and made the last 10-20 turns uneasy. I kept on checking % area each turn until I remember to check the culture % on border tiles. Then I knew it was safe.
Babylon had many wonders and the Hermitage for 5x culture multiplier and went legendary first and the others needed 4 GA's each and another 6-7 turns to go Legendary. I was on my 3rd or 4th Golden Age at the time and that really add a lot of culture.
Fighting actually would have slowed things and my wars were done early with the initial 4 keshiks.
It was not difficult to stay under domination limit at first but then one of the Hammy cities flipped and made the last 10-20 turns uneasy. I kept on checking % area each turn until I remember to check the culture % on border tiles. Then I knew it was safe.
Babylon had many wonders and the Hermitage for 5x culture multiplier and went legendary first and the others needed 4 GA's each and another 6-7 turns to go Legendary. I was on my 3rd or 4th Golden Age at the time and that really add a lot of culture.
Fighting actually would have slowed things and my wars were done early with the initial 4 keshiks.
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