bring back seti as a world wonder!

smokey t bones

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dear civ fanatics

remember the seti program in the original civ game? well, in order to convince the programmers to bring it back, and to enlighten you about something important, i've posted here three short internet articles about what's going in the ufo community. please skip these (this is kind of a long post), if you don't care anything about alien life, ufos, or bringing seti back to civ.

Former Canadian Minister Of Defense Asks Canadian Parliament To Hold Hearings On Relations With Alien "ET" Civilizations

OTTAWA, CANADA (PRWEB) November 24, 2005 -- A former Canadian Minister of Defence and Deputy Prime Minister under Pierre Trudeau has joined forces with three non-governmental organizations to ask the parliament of Canada to hold public hearings on exopolitics -- relations with "ETs." By "ETs," Mr. Hellyer and these organizations mean ethical, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that may now be visiting earth. On September 25, 2005, in a startling speech at the University of Toronto that caught the attention of mainstream newspapers and magazines, Paul Hellyer, Canada's Defence Minister from 1963-67 under Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Prime Minister Lester Pearson, publicly stated: "UFOs are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head." Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war, that I just think I had to say something." Hellyer revealed, "The secrecy involved in all matters pertaining to the Roswell incident was unparalled. The classification was, from the outset, above top secret, so the vast majority of U.S. officials and politicians, let alone a mere allied minister of defence, were never in-the-loop." Hellyer warned, "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning." He stated, "The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide."

Hellyer's speech ended with a standing ovation. He said, "The time has come to lift the veil of secrecy, and let the truth emerge, so there can be a real and informed debate, about one of the most important problems facing our planet today." Three non-governmental organizations took Hellyer's words to heart, and approached Canada's parliament in Ottawa, Canada's capital, to hold public hearings on a possible ET presence, and what Canada should do. The Canadian Senate, which is an appointed body, has held objective, well-regarded hearings and issued reports on controversial issues such as same-sex marriage and medical marijuana. On October 20, 2005, the Institute for Cooperation in Space requested Canadian Senator Colin Kenny, Senator, Chair of The Senate Standing Committee on National Security and Defence, "schedule public hearings on the Canadian Exopolitics Initiative, so that witnesses such as the Hon. Paul Hellyer, and Canadian-connected high level military intelligence, NORAD-connected, scientific, and governmental witnesses facilitated by the Disclosure Project and by the Toronto Exopolitics Symposium can present compelling evidence, testimony, and public policy recommendations." The non-governmental organizations seeking parliament hearings include Canada-based Toronto Exopolitics Symposium, which organized the University of Toronto Symposium at which Mr. Hellyer spoke. The Disclosure Project, a U.S. based organization that has assembled high level military intelligence witnesses of a possible ET presence, is also one of the organizations seeking Canadian Parliament hearings.

Vancouver-based Institute for Cooperation in Space (ICIS), whose International Director headed a proposed 1977 Extraterrestrial Communication Study for the White House of former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, who himself has publicly reported a 1969 close encounter of the first kind with a UFO, filed the original request for Canadian Parliament hearings. The Canadian Exopolitics Initiative, presented by the organizations to a Senate Committee panel hearing in Winnipeg, Canada, on March 10, 2005, proposes that the government of Canada undertake a Decade of Contact. The proposed Decade of Contact is "a 10-year process of formal, funded public education, scientific research, educational curricula development and implementation, strategic planning, community activity, and public outreach concerning our terrestrial society's full cultural, political, social, legal, and governmental communication and public interest diplomacy with advanced, ethical off-planet cultures now visiting earth." Canada has a long history of opposing the basing of weapons in outer space. On September 22, 2004 Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin declared to the U.N. General Assembly, "Space is our final frontier. It has always captured our imagination. What a tragedy it would be if space became one big weapons arsenal and the scene of a new arms race." Martin stated, "In 1967, the United Nations agreed that weapons of mass destruction must not be based in space. The time has come to extend this ban to all weapons..."

In May 2003, speaking before the Canadian House of Commons Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs, former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Canada Lloyd Axworthy stated, "Washington's offer to Canada is not an invitation to join America under a protective shield, but it presents a global security doctrine that violates Canadian values on many levels." Axworthy concluded, "There should be an uncompromising commitment to preventing the placement of weapons in space." On February 24, 2005, Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin made official Canada's decision not to take part in the U.S government's Ballistic Missile Defence program. Paul Hellyer, who now seeks Canadian Parliament hearings on relations with ETs, on May 15, 2003, stated in Toronto's Globe & Mail newspaper, "Canada should accept the long-standing invitation of U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio to launch a conference to seek approval of an international treaty to ban weapons in space. That would be a positive Canadian contribution toward a more peaceful world." In early November 2005, the Canadian Senate wrote ICIS, indicating the Senate Committee could not hold hearings on ETs in 2005, because of their already crowded schedule. "That does not deter us," one spokesperson for the non-governmental organizations said, "We are going ahead with our request to Prime Minister Paul Martin and the official opposition leaders in the House of Commons now, and we will re-apply with the Senate of Canada in early 2006." "Time is on the side of open disclosure that there are ethical extraterrestrial civilizations visiting earth," the spokesperson stated. "Our Canadian government needs to openly address these important issues of the possible deployment of weapons in outer space war plans against ethical ET societies."

Canadian Exopolitics Initiative

http://www.peaceinspace.net

Click here to send your letter to the Parliament of Canada requesting public "ET" Hearings

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/star_dreams_initiative/2005/10/ the_senate_of_c.html

CONTACT NOW:

Toronto, Canada: Victor Viggiani, Exopolitics Toronto Symposium

Tel: 905-278-5628

http://www.exopoliticstoronto.com

Winnipeg, Canada: Randy Kitchur

Tel: 204-582-4424

Washington, D.C.: Dr. Steven Greer, The Disclosure Project

Tel: (540) 456-8302 (Office)

http://www.disclosureproject.org

Vancouver, Canada: Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd

ICIS-Institute for Cooperation in Space

Tel: 604-733-8134

http://www.peaceinspace.net

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/11/prweb314382.htm

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LONDON - 11 October 2005

Vatican astronomer asks: could you baptise ET?

A pocket-sized book published by CTS this week addresses Catholic attitudes to extraterrestrial life.

With increasing numbers of people believing not only in the possibility of intelligent life on other planets, but even claiming encounters with aliens, it is not surprising that the Catholic Church is beginning to explore what effect the discovery of sentient ETs might have on Christian theology.

In: Intelligent Life in the Universe? Catholic belief and the search for

extraterrestrial intelligent life, author Guy Consolmagno SJ, asks:

Would humans recognise intelligent life if we saw it?

Could we communicate with it? Should we even try?

Is Original Sin something that affects all intelligent beings?

Is Jesus Christ's redemption valid for intelligent beings throughout the universe?

Or would other worlds have their own version of Jesus?

Would the Church send missionaries to ET planets?

Guy Consolmagno SJ, a Jesuit religious brother and astronomer, divides his year between the Vatican's observatory in Arizona and its older observatory at the Pope's summer residence, Castel Gandolfo, in the hills outside of Rome.

Brother Guy has advanced degrees in planetary science from MIT and the University of Arizona. He spends his time observing comets and asteroids, and does experiments with the Vatican's vast collection of meteorites, one of the largest in the world. He is one of a dozen Jesuit astronomers doing this work. The order has been engaged in astronomy since before Galileo.

Intelligent Life in the Universe? by Brother Guy Consolmagno SJ

is published by: Catholic Truth Society ISBN 1-86082-343-2

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U.S. Government Order to Shoot-down UFOs: At the 2006 MUFON International UFO Symposium in Denver, CO, July 14-16, 2006, Emmy Award-winning TV producer and investigative reporter, Linda Moulton Howe, [presented] a very exciting expose on how the U.S. government tried to shoot-down UFOs and lost the battle. The information came from an official source. Former New Mexico State Representative Andrew Kissner approached her in the mid-1990s to tell her about his official and off-the-record research concerning the 1947 Roswell and other alleged UFO crash retrieval incidents in New Mexico. Rep. Kissner asserted there had been an American government policy to shoot down unidentified aerial discs in the late 1940s until the discs retaliated. That retaliation included the deaths of many pilots and forced a change in American military aggression toward enemy weapons systems. Linda [presented] firsthand testimonies, documents and other information about the battle for our skies.
 
what will be the benefit for this new wonder, i mean it hasnt find any ET yet after all these years
 
what will be the benefit for this new wonder, i mean it hasnt find any ET yet after all these years

Nevertheless it encourages scientific advances and participation by the population.

I suggest it should give 25% science bonus for every research labs or 25% spaceship production.
 
I don't think that a wonder should be included unless you can find a unique, balanced, in-game purpose for it.

I suggest it should give 25% science bonus for every research labs or 25% spaceship production.

Not 25% space ship production. The space elevator already does a similar thing.
 
SETI could provide +2 :commerce: to all power plants (coal, hydro, nuclear), owing to all the computers running their CPUs at full speed because of SETI@home.
 
in the original civ, seti provided a huge increase in science output. i can't remember exactly how much, but i think it was like 50% increase overall for your entire empire. how about making it another way to win? discover alien life and they take you to alpha centauri.

smokey t bones
 
Though SETI might not be a real world wonder, it would be very nice for Civ 4. I especially like the idea of a bonus to spaceship parts, although that might be redundant with the space elevator. Perhaps a research bonus and ss bonus would be best.
 
SETI has been pretty much replaced by the Internet project now.
 
Well, yes, in a way. SETI used to give you a research lab in every city, which effectively doubled your science output. The new Internet project just grants you techs known by 2 other civs, like a new great library. So it's the same goal ultimately, but with different ways of implementing it. Personally, I think the internet is much more powerful, but I miss SETI.
 
Well, yes, in a way. SETI used to give you a research lab in every city, which effectively doubled your science output. The new Internet project just grants you techs known by 2 other civs, like a new great library. So it's the same goal ultimately, but with different ways of implementing it. Personally, I think the internet is much more powerful, but I miss SETI.

I believe the Internet in Civ 3 gave you a research lab in each city. Didn't the SETI just double research in the city it was built like Copernicus' Observatory did? In Civ 4 the Oxford University now has that effect.
 
Sorry, I was thinking of Civ 2, not 3. ;)

Incidentally, I have since implemented SETI as a wonder again (see my signature). :)
 
Well, yes, in a way. SETI used to give you a research lab in every city, which effectively doubled your science output. The new Internet project just grants you techs known by 2 other civs, like a new great library. So it's the same goal ultimately, but with different ways of implementing it. Personally, I think the internet is much more powerful, but I miss SETI.

Wait, i thought the internet is a World Project, like the Manhattan Project, doesnt every civ gain the benefit as well?
 
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