Bush: Good or Bad

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by nixon
Funny man, ain't he?

And let me just say that in no way are you posting from the People's "Democratic" Republic of Korea.
Can you spell C-O-M-M-U-N-I-S-M?!

People are executed in "DPRK" for logging in on the Internet. So you are somekind of freak, somekind of Eurocom freak, I guess.

Hey, there are plenty of freaks from the US too, Nixon.
Don't offload him onto we Europeans.

I'll wager Ping-Pong or whatever his name, is from the US West Coast.

PS
In no way is GW Bush stupid.
A stupid man would never be able to hoodwink the American voting public to the degree he has!

Give the man some credit!

 

[Kim Jong Il]

Originally posted by nixon
People are executed in "DPRK" for logging in on the Internet. So you are somekind of freak, somekind of Eurocom freak, I guess.

I don't know where you get your disinformation from. Im no more a freak than you are Nixon.

 

[onejayhawk]

Originally posted by CurtSibling
In no way is GW Bush stupid.
A stupid man would never be able to hoodwink the American voting public to the degree he has!

Give the man some credit!

Interesting choice of words. I remember in 1998 or 1999 there was an article on the not-yet-candidate and Governor Bush.

The article talks of his time (highly successful unlike his short time in the oil business) in Major League Baseball as an owner. The article pointed out that financially GWB's stake in the team was fairly small, that he had borrowed that money. It pointed out that when he sold the interest in the team to run for Governor, he had made several hundred percent on his investment. Finally in pointed to the new stadium whichis the franchises biggest asset and claimed that he made money by "conning the voters in the area into building a new stadium."

I suppose thaton some level all of that is true. He did quite well on his venture. He borrowed the money he used to buy into the deal, and you could also say that he borrowed on his name as well. He did a lot of campaigning to get the Ballpark built. The facts alleged in the indictment were accurate.

But the indictment was false. George W Bush, citizen entrepenour, was invited into the partnership group, becasue it had been his idea from the start. His stake was smaller because he was taking on many additional responsibilities and duties, as Managing Partner, basicly President, of the company that owned the team. As part of his compensation package he also received additional shares, so his stake grew over time.

When the group bought the Rangers, it was in disrepair. The Team was far back in talent, revenue, attendance, whatever measure you wish to use. A radio personality in Dallas commonly said that the Rangers has "Never played a meaningful game in September" when the races are decided. The old stadium was poorly designed and much disliked.

When he left, the team had the talent to win the division title three times. The old stadium was replaced by what everyone calls one of the best baseball parks in existence. I particularly like the comment in the article about "conning the taxpayers" into building the new stadium. It is wrong on so many levels. First, selling public works programs is part of what politicians DO. It's their job. Second, the project was necessary and one of many around the country, hardly a black eye on that point. Third, it was extremely WELL done, and is one of the major assets to the community.

So, when he arrived, the situation was a mess. When he left the situation was fixed. This is a man of focus and drive, who makes decisions, but also knows how to delegate. Much is made of his failed oil enterprise. More attention should be paid to what he did in Arlington.

J

PS Just my $.02.

 

[vonork]

"It's incredible that I won, I when out in the election with a program against peace, prosperity and the active president."

Hopefully he was joking when he said this; stupidly he was recorded on tape.

 

[Kim Jong Il]

You Americans place your trust in people far to easily. Prehaps its the fluoride in your systems. It reminds me of a phrase normally resevred for religous types. "...like a lamb to the mother, bleeting for its faith". Its remarkable that you lot continue to believe that your government has nothing but good intentions at heart. The scandals and vile acts that make up your history only go to show that Americans are incapable of learning from the past.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

My communist friend, first, if you are the DL I suspect, you will be skinned.

Second, if you are legit, which I feel is increasingly unlikely, trolling isn't permitted here, comments that have things like "you Americans', makes you, Poster, restricted.

You'd best get used to this rapidily, I suffer fools and trolls not.

If you care to test this, be my guest, but you WILL lose.

 

[Kim Jong Il]

Is this what happens when I voice my views of America? Everyone seems free to take a dig at countries that have not the luxury of defense on these forums. There are views on this forum that offend me but I have not the power to remove them. How would you have me voice my views? Should I simply re-word my posts but keep the meaning there or am I not allowed to voice views against the belief of others here?

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

You come from an anciet race reknowned for politness, show it.

Any view, presented politly will get a fair hearing here.

But sweeping generalizations only annoy people.

You will find I can be extremly fair, but also ruthless to those who cause trouble.

 

[CurtSibling]

Kim Jong Il,

It would be most wise of you to heed the words of our tolerant Mod.
A great length of slack has been cut for you already, and even I,
(who cannot be accused of being in parity with the attitude of the US Chief)
am tired of your attacks on a people whom I know through my experience,
to be as worthy and merely human as the rest of us…Please lay your ire to rest.

Unproved conspiracies and myth-telling are unfair and ungrounded,
do not dehumanise millions of individuals based on your assumptions…
The mark of the wise is to understand the basis of motivations, not tar
All with the same brush, and courtesy costs nought, into the bargain.

Can you truly align all Americans with the whims of President Bush?
Such sinister thinking is illogical. Try to see things from a human angle.
Not every person is unified in a single idea, or ever is likely to be.
This goes for the USA and the rest of humanity, it takes many people to make a world.

 

[MCdread]

Originally posted by Portuguese

If you understood brazilian

Jesus portuguese, I would expect such a remark from anyone. but from you?!

About the topic: I don't think Bush is doing any overwhelming job, but it's not as bad as some expected or as some say. He may not be a bright mind, but that doesn't matter anything. As long as his team has brains, the question about Bush's IQ becomes irrelevant. He's just the visible face of a team. However that doesn't stop me from thinking that some of his statements have not been exactly brilliant.

About the upcoming war, I would like to say the following: everyone that is complaining about America's atitude, please take a better look about what you are saying, because sometimes it looks that Saddam is an inocent angel compared with Bush. Let's put things in the right perspective and in the right level. The USA may not be any saints, and they certainly are far from it, but let's look at who's on the other side... (I can't believe this, I am an european leftist and I'm actually defending Bush, while portuguese (the poster) for example is a right wing conservative and is attacking him ). It's in everyone's best interest that Iraq takes a different path, preferably with a new leadership and regime. In that aspect I agree that Saddam must go. However that doesn't stop me from thinking that Iraq's oil and the possibility to reshape that region in a much more favorable way to US's interests play a decisive role in the decision to move to a war (aaah, I feel much more integrated in my political spectrum area after saying this now ).
Finally, about Bush's domestic policy, I don't have the competence or the in loco knowledge to rate it, although it seems to me that some tariffs (sp?) in the steel industry don't seem to help tha arguments of those who complain about some similar practices in this side of the Atlantic.

 

[Kim Jong Il]

Forgive my outburst. I was too hasty in the construction of my post and a lack of diplomacy was present. In future I will try to push forward my arguement in a more sensiable and thought provoking way. However this does not mean that my political views will change to suit the masses on this forum. I would like to believe that when not discussing politics there will be no ill feelings harboured between us.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Kim Jong Il
Forgive my outburst. I was too hasty in the construction of my post and a lack of diplomacy was present. In future I will try to push forward my arguement in a more sensiable and thought provoking way. However this does not mean that my political views will change to suit the masses on this forum. I would like to believe that when not discussing politics there will be no ill feelings harboured between us.

Please note,
I am sorry if my answer to you was too harsh on the Iraqi Elite guard thread, Accept my wish for no ill-will between us all.

I would like nothing more than to have harmony with all posters, so why don't we all make an effort to me dilpomatic and debate like allies, rather than foes...

Thanks for being understanding, Kim.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Excellent Kim, I'm sure you will be a valued member of our community.

 

[wtiberon]

Bush is VERY good for America and the world. He has cut right through the normal political mess and has gotten results. His straightfoward manner has paid dividends in both freeing Afghanistan and in the war on Terror. He promised to never back down and he hasn't.

 

[hbdragon88]

He only wants his way and nothing but his way, which is the problem with him and why I think he's bad. Everything he's rushed has gotten him in a mess. The $1.35 trillion tax cut hacked our surplus into a deficiet. He rushed the Iraq resolution and is in a tangle with the allies and the Security Council. He said that it would be disaster if we put off passing the Department of Homeland Security proposal and now we're tangled on the heated debate of the three paragraphs that were hastily drawn up giving drug companies immunity to vaccine lawsuits.

He's reneged on his promises and driven us to being more unpopular, running a deficiet that President Clinton built up, and his enviroment policy is havoc for us. To repeal some of the processes to forming decisions is destroying the influence of public opinion and the concept of democracy.

He's talk and he's emphasizing issues abroad. What I want is issues here and domestic. Such as the economy or things like Medicad. I don't want them as a second priority; they should be the first

This is my opinion, and I don't have all the facts though. Most of the info comes from articles and editorals and the opinion section of our newspaper. And from experts analysis and such.

 

[Zcylen]

Curt and Kim signing a MPP?
I think I'll send a spy to Castle Curtenstein

 

[Portuguese]

Originally posted by Kim Jong Il
You Americans place your trust in people far to easily. Prehaps its the fluoride in your systems. It reminds me of a phrase normally resevred for religous types. "...like a lamb to the mother, bleeting for its faith". Its remarkable that you lot continue to believe that your government has nothing but good intentions at heart. The scandals and vile acts that make up your history only go to show that Americans are incapable of learning from the past.

This is an American site. Never forget that...

Originally posted by Kim Jong Il
Americans are incapable of learning from the past.

Too obvious.

 

[Portuguese]

Originally posted by MCdread
Jesus portuguese, I would expect such a remark from anyone. but from you?!

Where is that quote from?!?

Normally I tend to say Brasilian if the site is from Brazil and the language has "that" accent typical from there.

ON topic: I never say nothing because, quoting AoA "this is a friendly site", meaning we have to keep it low.

My opinion on Bush is obvious: he is the worst prez of US story (worst even than Johnson!!!(1830)) and I kinda of doubt about people who don't understand why I think this. Here where I live, that opinion is generalized and completelly acceptable

Al Gore was not perfect but it was unbelievable how can he have lost to Bush. He must have really screwed is all up!

I hope you'll give now a chance to Gore, Hillary or any other, as I'm sure it's difficult to come worst. Bush and his "falcons" have shown through Sep 11th reaction their true nature (belicist) and the logic (and lobbies) that support them.
In my humble opinion, a people that says what he says... should at least be doubted about. And Cheney, Coronella Ricci (I know I have errors in her name...) and Rumsfeld seem to do what they want, i. e., follow guns and oil lobbies and force US to go to war against the idea of peace, prosperity and sustainable development, failing to protect US (terrorists are a threat just as before...) and wasting thousands of millions of dollars and kill thousands and thousands of Iraqui civilians (innocents as sept 11th civilians...) just to... to... Well, I don't know, maybe to kill Saddam or so, wasting the maximum of budget possible (a thing that could be done by CIA and other secret services with much lower costs but without wasting money in gun industry, that contributes to Rep's campaign...)

They are going wrong and acting with non-sense, unless of course you consider this one legitimate way of self financing (we decide to waste money on contributers and they give us a share).

I cannot agreewith this and I'm of course against this war. However, I don't do nothing as I know that it is unavoidable and I am not of the protester-type.

I just hope that this 4/8 years can pass quick without any major conflict and that the new white house guy decide on US best interests without screwing the rest of the world for it.
(Funny how US gives so much value to 3000 victims, whose a big part was not USnationals (including 8 portuguese ones) and they don't give a penny for the lives of so many Afeghan, Iraqui or whatelse lives. And after they auto-proclame (a very legitimate way to do it...) the police of the world!!! With this police, who need trouble-makers?)

Sincerelly, I hope you understand this.
It's quite difficult to justify so obvious (to me, I know, Iknow...) things to me. I know that US citizens can't see things from a distance because they are part of the war, and that find this rather difficult to understand. And even as an attack to her "national pride", as you call it so heppily, but I hope to help opening your eyes.
It's about time to you to open your eyes to the rest of the world and to learn from the past, for a change.
The price is that you'll fail more and more to understand the rest of the world with sad consequences to all of the world...
In many places of the world, from poor to rich countries, in all social classes people tend to like less and less of US foreign policy. It's time for it to change. You need marketing and better out-doors actions! Even in UK (followers because of that ole empire sense that they still have itand that will take time to pass as it had about Portugal), people seem to begin to see US different (68% against Iraq intervention and that Blair-poll-folower saying inspectors need moretime).
This not to speak about Pakistan, South Korea, Germany, Japan an other countries that should be US supporters (they used to...) but now face street roots against US foreign policy...

Hope you'll change before it's too late.
Maybe when Bush and his friends left the White House...

Hope to have said enough to justify myself, in order not to have problems with AoA or Lefty or even TF...
If that is the case, sorry. You all know my intention is not to upset anyone here: I just disagree with you and I would like to know that, and the reasons for that.
Hoping to don't have problems and that you could understand this post.
Someone who is a friend and is warning you to avoid future serious problems
(I know it isn't much but is what I can do at the moment)

Your friend, Ricardo Jorge Fernandes Campelo de Magalhães.

 

[Zcylen]

I agree with you in all what you say.as I said before I dont consider bush one of the best presidents of the US, the problem is :he IS the president now and out of the US we cant do nothing but complain.
only US people can do something, if they think he's right then we're damn and the history will judge them.
I was more in favor of Clinton's foreing policy.

and only because you're portuguese I'll spare your life.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Port, I allow any opinion, I don't agree with you, but my country firmly believes in YOUR right to disagree.

Let me say, WHEN war comes, and it will, it WON'T be the USA killing thousands of Iraqi civillians, SADDAM will do that.
He will try to get as many dead as he can, the way he tried in the Gulf War.
The US won't be randomly dumping Munitions into Baghdad, this isn't WWII, the USA spends BILLIONS on smart munitions to try to AVOID civillian loss.

Look at Afghanistan, the USA was ACCUSED of killing thouisands by bombing, but when the Red Cross and other neutral organizations were able to examine the facts in person, NOT tainted by the Taliban, the lie of it was proven. Yes, several hundred innocents were killed, but again, everything was done to avoid it.

If you fear civillian losses, speak to Saddam, he will be the one doing the killing, and all for your benifit, to gain YOUR voice to his.

I won't comment on the internal matters of which you speak, accept to say you couldn't be more wrong, nobody is cow-towing to big oil (which wants SANCTIONS lifted and relations resumed with Iraq) or the Gun lobby.
Hillary is determined to see the US economy collaspe, so she can ride to the rescue, she is a souless and ruthless woman that has no problem building her career on the bodies of dead Americans.
She TALKS a good game, but she NEVER delivers.