Can games be won beyond Noble without...

Slingshotting is not cheating whatsoever--cheating is going into World Builder and adding Modern Armor in 4000 BCE. Now a slingshot...that's maximizing the potential benefit of a free technology the game gives you.

I did that once on a tiny duel map just to see how quickly I could win. It didn't take too long and was quite funny.
 
Hmm...I would imagine so. I have never done anything of the sort, but it might be good for an afternoon when I don't want to think too hard about a Civ game.
 
Okay I just ran across a crazy start last night on Monarch where I'm pretty sure I could have snagged the CS Slingshot on Emperor. Not sure about Deity, never tried it. Playing Elizabeth (Fin/Phi). Coastal start with 1 fish on the coast, 1 cow, 1 corn, and THREE GOLD MINES!! I've never seen such a ridiculously high commerce start before. It was nuts.

Wow, that sounds almost exactly what it would take to pull it off on Emperor. I almost want to try a start like that to see if I can make it happen. My last few starts would not have done it but I might be keeping my eyes open for just such an opportunity.
 
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