Capitulation/Vassal State Problem

[THE WIZ]

I was playing a game as Persia and one other civ had capitulated and one other become my vassal. Yet both of these Civs were causing revolts in my cities that I had captured from them, and asking to be returned to those civs. With Capitulation, I never thought that was possible, and the capitulated civ seemed to play on as normal. I couldn't declare war on the capitulated state nor cancel the capitulation. I could have easily stormed the remaining few cities they had left to stop the constant anarchy, but I couldn't redeclare war.
Any ideas here?

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Well
The Asking to go back is because those cities are closer to the Vassal's capital than yours, just ignore it

The Rebellions are obviously a problem, they are caused by Vassal Culture in the Cities, get those newly taken cities to focus on culture, and put some extra military units there to stop the rebellions

 

[Soryn Arkayn]

You don't really have a viable military action against your Vassal States, because neither you nor your vassal can declare war on the other.

The only way a Vassal can break away is if you goto war with another Civ and you're losing (badly), and a combination of war weariness and military weakness (meaning lack of military units compared to your enemy) might allow your vassal to break free.

If you want a peaceful solution, you simply need to "Out-Culture" your Vassals. Increase Culture spending and build plenty of culture buildings in your captured cities to counter your vassal's culture. Also, you can use spies against your vassals cities to foment unhappiness and instigate revolts, which will hinder their culture and relieve some of the pressure on your border cities.

 

[Brancaleone]

Do your vassal share bordes with another weak AI? Give that AI some city raider units as close as you can to your vassal, then declare war on him and watch him take your vassal cities .

 

[KaytieKat]

Hi

Other than

for now--turn vassal states off or make very very sure the benefits of acceptiing a capitulation instead of just finishing em off is worth it before accepting.

And for later --pleading that they make declaring war on a vassal or at least cutting loose vassals (and maybe being allowed to declare war a set amount of turns later just like any other civ you just made an agreemment with) that turn out to be more trouble than they worth in a future patch/version

I dont know of anything else we can do :/

Kaytie

 

[meatwad4289]

Well
The Asking to go back is because those cities are closer to the Vassal's capital than yours, just ignore it

I've gone to war with a Civ to my north taken their cities, and those cities asked to join the Civ south of me, my cpaital was 15 tiles away, while theirs was closer to 50.

 

[Yzman]

I've gone to war with a Civ to my north taken their cities, and those cities asked to join the Civ south of me, my cpaital was 15 tiles away, while theirs was closer to 50.

I too am really puzzled when stuff like this happens in my game. I have a feeling it is a bug. I have had cities that are fully mine, all my culture want to go to other civs. And they are even closer to my capital.

 

[Maddin]

I think the advisor pop-ups that appear and ask you to turn over a city are just bugged to the root. In most games it appears once every 20 turns for every city, that wasn't yours to begin with. You can simply ignore this. I once went along with the request, just to see what happens only to have them revolt some 10 turns later and return to my civ.

I think the revolts in (former) cites of capitulated vassals are a problem that's best explained by spies. In one game i conquered three Persian cites and had what's left capitulate. I then went on to turn Persepolis into a culture farm (and ended up with more Culture in that single city, than the Persian civ had overall - Great Artists are great for just conquered cities) and they'd still revolt every 25 turns, despite it being only some 30% Persian after some time.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Well supposedly the other reasons for requesting Liberation are

1. The city is not on the same land mass as your Capital and you have a colony Vassal
2. The City has someone else's culture in it.*

* here is where there is an actual problem because you can have revolts.

 

[Spearthrower]

Turn off the advisor pop-ups in the options menu.

They are an unnecessary overlay that has no bearing on the game and just serve to confuse players.

They're not bugged so much as they just give really bad advice and it is poorly worded giving the impression that it is required.

 

[chopstyx]

I too am really puzzled when stuff like this happens in my game. I have a feeling it is a bug. I have had cities that are fully mine, all my culture want to go to other civs. And they are even closer to my capital.

Yep - had this in the last game I played. The city was 100% mine but every 10 turns or so I still got the dialog box asking if I wanted to return the city to it's "rightful owner".

 

[kazapp]

Spearthrower, do you mean to say those annoying messages (asking you to give away your cities) are considered advisor messages and can be turned off?

 

[Sueff]

Since i've never seen such a message I'm pretty sure they can be turned off

 

[ferenginar]

I just captured 6 Japanese cities then made hima vassal, next turn one one the cities requests t be Japanese again then two more go into revolt. Not quite what I expect from a vassal. I went back a few turns to before capitulation, now annihilation is the only option.

 

[_alphaBeta_]

I think we're talking about two different things here.

The advisor pop-ups asking to turn a city over must be the "advisor pop-ups" that can be turned off in the options menu. I say this because I've never seen a message like this, and I always play with that option off.

The revolting is because the newly conquered cities have more of your vassal's culture than yours. I imagine this could even happen for a non-conquered city of yours, if a culture-heavy vassal city is next door.

It's important to note that in BTS, the master's fat cross area cannot be assigned to the vassal (which I think is an awesome enhancement). However, just because they can't technically own the tile, their culture is still superior. This really only affects cities and revolts.

You need to fight the revolts as if you were under culture attack from any other civ - more culture and troops.

I'm not sure if a vassal can culture flip a city of yours. I usually do something before it would come to that.

 

[Spearthrower]

Spearthrower, do you mean to say those annoying messages (asking you to give away your cities) are considered advisor messages and can be turned off?

Yes - it's silly, but true!

 

[MrFrodo]

I'm in that situation right now. 17 pop Boston on the border with my Persian empire. The city is mostly American and stil lin revolt. I was thinking I would go to slavery and whip out culture producers: Theatre, Library, etc. Or if I get some cash buy the culture buildings under Universal Suufrage.. Or I could try for a Great Artist for my next GP, get the 4k culture fromthat, and perhaps salvage the population. What is the best way to get culture going in a situation like this? Am I just goign to loose the populatation to unhapiness/health anyway so I might as well whip? Should I try to wait on Great Artists and not spend anything?

I also ran into the advisor popup issue. Being a newb (at least compared to the people ont his board I have played every Civ ), I want to keep this popup on, but it seems to mostly just give me bad advice. Once in a blue moon it will alert me to a city that needs something I had not thought of.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

I'm not sure if a vassal can culture flip a city of yours. I usually do something before it would come to that.

They can, I've seen it (however, that is because I play with "Captured Cities can Flip") Normally the Vassal cities that would Flip are Captured ones so on a standard game you aren't in any danger. Because in a standard game only cities that were originally yours can flip... and Vassals almost never have that level of culture.

BTW this setting is really Interesting means you need to produce a LOT of Garrison troops for a mid to late War.. especially if you might capitulate them... I had the Zulus get ~ 1/2 of their empire back once from one capitulated city.