Aggie
Deity
Sounds like a fun game with people who find monarch still a challenge! Can I join?
(Thanks for the tip CroMagnon
)
(Thanks for the tip CroMagnon
)
CG4 - The Warmongering Greeks (PTW)
- Thread starter cgannon64
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cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Sure Aggie. Licker sounds like he really can't anyway.
You know, I intended this to be game where some vets can help me get back into the groove...and suddenly I'm the vet!
Its alright, I'm doing a German game right now to refresh my memory...
Current Lineup:
Cromagnon--->Playing Now
Swiftsure--->On Deck
Sultan
Aggie
Me
You know, I intended this to be game where some vets can help me get back into the groove...and suddenly I'm the vet!
Its alright, I'm doing a German game right now to refresh my memory...Current Lineup:
Cromagnon--->Playing Now
Swiftsure--->On Deck
Sultan
Aggie
Me
Pre-turn, 2190 BC, Despotism, IW in 17, 0% Science.
Largest problem: A barbarian warrior right next to Athens!
It must have slipped under CGannon's radar. It's going to either run away with our women, or kill off 3 shields of our warrior. Nothing I can do about it. No changes.
[1] (2190BC) Warrior in the south has 1 hp, fortify.
IBT: Minoan warrior kills one pop point in Athens. Probably the best outcome for us.
[2] (2150BC) nothing.
[3] (2110BC) Warrior south explores
[4] (2070BC) more exploration
[5] (2030BC) I see American borders to the SE.
[6] (1950BC) explore south
[7] (1910BC) Athens warrior -> Settler (I switch one FP tile to a BG, so we get a settler in 15, not 30), and Spartan hoplite -> hoplite. Warrior moves toward NE, hoplite to get rid of some of the black near us.
[8] (1870BC) Worker will work near Sparta for now to increase production.
[9] (1830BC) Southern warrior hits Cape Horn.
[10] (1790BC) More exploration
[11] (1750BC) Dilpo check shows Zulu has the Wheel, I trade Alphabet and 11 gold for this, and sell Wheel to Lincoln for all 25 of his gold. Horses revealed south of Sparta.
[12] (1725BC) Southern warrior fights a barbarian in camp and loses. Thanks, RNG!
[13] (1700BC) There are spices to our NE.
IBT We catch a glimpse of a yellow warrior who runs away.
[14] (1675BC) Sparta hoplite -> hoplite (builds every 7 turns for now). Athens grows to 3, I make a tax collector until MP gets there (IW in 3, so scientist doesn't do anything).
[15] (1650BC) Still no sign of that yellow warrior.
[16] (1625BC) Yellow is Egypt, they have no tech and 10 gold, but 4 cities. Diplo check shows that America has IW, horseback, and Mysticism. He must have another contact. He wants all 275 of our gold for any of them. I hold off, since our other neighbors are dirt-poor.
IBT some barbs running about, nothing too close to cities.
[17] (1600BC) We discover IW, and I queue up Writing -> Literature. Iron is on a hill right next to Athens. This is good not only for Swords, but also increased shields in Athens. I put a hoplite there, and turn the taxman into a hill laborer, so settler comes out in 3.
[18] (1575BC) I send the worker toward Athens. There it can do one of two things: a) work the iron hill to hook it up, and b) road to the spices south of Athens, which we'll expand to in 3 turns.
[19] (1550BC) I put the worker on the iron hill first.
IBT Barb warrior attacks our north warrior on a mountain, redlines it
but we win and promote.
[20] (1525BC) Sparta builds hoplite -> Barracks. Athens builds settler (finally) -> Settler (this can be changed, but I think we'll grow enough). I see some Egyptian borders to the NE.
Diplo situation: Zulu 11g, -IW, -Masonry (polite)
Egypt 35g, -IW, -Alphabet (polite)
America 35g, +Horseback, +Mysticism He wants 270 and 230 gold, respectively (Cautious)
Not sure what to do here. I imagine we'd need Writing (37 turns) to find America's contacts and discount the techs. I really don't want to blow our budget on one 3rd tier tech.
My suggestion is to send the hoplite and settler to the south of sparta to claim the horses and cattle (build on the river).
Our exploration sucks, due to premature warrior lossulation. However, we have 3 luxuries within reach, if our settlers ever get cranking. Spices to the NE near Egypt, Incense to the south, and Ivory to the extreme south, near America.
Here is the game. Good luck! http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/CG4_1525.zip
Largest problem: A barbarian warrior right next to Athens!
It must have slipped under CGannon's radar. It's going to either run away with our women, or kill off 3 shields of our warrior. Nothing I can do about it. No changes.[1] (2190BC) Warrior in the south has 1 hp, fortify.
IBT: Minoan warrior kills one pop point in Athens. Probably the best outcome for us.
[2] (2150BC) nothing.
[3] (2110BC) Warrior south explores
[4] (2070BC) more exploration
[5] (2030BC) I see American borders to the SE.
[6] (1950BC) explore south
[7] (1910BC) Athens warrior -> Settler (I switch one FP tile to a BG, so we get a settler in 15, not 30), and Spartan hoplite -> hoplite. Warrior moves toward NE, hoplite to get rid of some of the black near us.
[8] (1870BC) Worker will work near Sparta for now to increase production.
[9] (1830BC) Southern warrior hits Cape Horn.
[10] (1790BC) More exploration
[11] (1750BC) Dilpo check shows Zulu has the Wheel, I trade Alphabet and 11 gold for this, and sell Wheel to Lincoln for all 25 of his gold. Horses revealed south of Sparta.
[12] (1725BC) Southern warrior fights a barbarian in camp and loses. Thanks, RNG!
[13] (1700BC) There are spices to our NE.
IBT We catch a glimpse of a yellow warrior who runs away.
[14] (1675BC) Sparta hoplite -> hoplite (builds every 7 turns for now). Athens grows to 3, I make a tax collector until MP gets there (IW in 3, so scientist doesn't do anything).
[15] (1650BC) Still no sign of that yellow warrior.
[16] (1625BC) Yellow is Egypt, they have no tech and 10 gold, but 4 cities. Diplo check shows that America has IW, horseback, and Mysticism. He must have another contact. He wants all 275 of our gold for any of them. I hold off, since our other neighbors are dirt-poor.
IBT some barbs running about, nothing too close to cities.
[17] (1600BC) We discover IW, and I queue up Writing -> Literature. Iron is on a hill right next to Athens. This is good not only for Swords, but also increased shields in Athens. I put a hoplite there, and turn the taxman into a hill laborer, so settler comes out in 3.
[18] (1575BC) I send the worker toward Athens. There it can do one of two things: a) work the iron hill to hook it up, and b) road to the spices south of Athens, which we'll expand to in 3 turns.
[19] (1550BC) I put the worker on the iron hill first.
IBT Barb warrior attacks our north warrior on a mountain, redlines it
but we win and promote.[20] (1525BC) Sparta builds hoplite -> Barracks. Athens builds settler (finally) -> Settler (this can be changed, but I think we'll grow enough). I see some Egyptian borders to the NE.
Diplo situation: Zulu 11g, -IW, -Masonry (polite)
Egypt 35g, -IW, -Alphabet (polite)
America 35g, +Horseback, +Mysticism He wants 270 and 230 gold, respectively (Cautious)
Not sure what to do here. I imagine we'd need Writing (37 turns) to find America's contacts and discount the techs. I really don't want to blow our budget on one 3rd tier tech.
My suggestion is to send the hoplite and settler to the south of sparta to claim the horses and cattle (build on the river).
Our exploration sucks, due to premature warrior lossulation. However, we have 3 luxuries within reach, if our settlers ever get cranking. Spices to the NE near Egypt, Incense to the south, and Ivory to the extreme south, near America.
Here is the game. Good luck! http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/CG4_1525.zip
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Originally posted by cromagnon
A barbarian warrior right next to Athens!
Oh, I saw it. It was either our settler or ransacking our town...I let him ransack it. But, of course, it was your regime's fault.
Good turns cromagnon. I was ready to criticise you for not building a settler in Sparta, but I'm guessing you are using that city as all production to feed Athens? If so, I don't mind.
BTW, I think good policy would be to squeeze in another settler city to the SW of Athens. Not right now - we need some more productive cities first - but sometime soon. Those babies will give us workers and settlers forever.
Swiftsure-->Up Now
Sultan-->On Deck
Aggie
Me
Cromagnon
Sparta could put out a settler, but it's not a growth powerhouse. I think Athens will do fine for now as a settler maker, until we find something better. Meanwhile, Spartan hoplites (every 4 turns) can defend our empire. We can soon use it to produce swords.
We ought to use our defensive advantage to make a land grab early. Yes, I see the spot you mean SW of Athens, but we can save it for later. Just north of our two cities is a pretty sweet spot with a BG, wheat, and two gold mines. Again, we can grab that a bit later too. I think grabbing 2-3 luxuries would help us immensely.
Watch Athens when it grows, Swiftsure. It will automatically work the FP tile, which would be a waste, since Athens needs shields. Either the BG or Iron Hills would be better.
We ought to use our defensive advantage to make a land grab early. Yes, I see the spot you mean SW of Athens, but we can save it for later. Just north of our two cities is a pretty sweet spot with a BG, wheat, and two gold mines. Again, we can grab that a bit later too. I think grabbing 2-3 luxuries would help us immensely.
Watch Athens when it grows, Swiftsure. It will automatically work the FP tile, which would be a waste, since Athens needs shields. Either the BG or Iron Hills would be better.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
With hoplites every four turns, it should pretty much be able to cover our entire empire.
I agree. With no apparent civs to the north, we can focus on getting the incense to the south. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't settle now - that grassland is our core - but I think we should settle the grassland and then the incense. Much later we can do the massive jungle clearing project, but that's a long way away.I might make a dotmap later today, to better express what I'm trying to say.
Sorry, if I didn't make it clearer. Egypt IS to the NE, and actually closer to us than America is. I think the NE grassland is at great risk of being snorked up by Cleo.
Then again, the Cattle/Horses spot is too sweet to give up.
BTW, what do you press to zoom out a bit? I gave up after a little while.
Then again, the Cattle/Horses spot is too sweet to give up.
BTW, what do you press to zoom out a bit? I gave up after a little while.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Oh OK I see. Then that grassland should get our top priority, IMO. America isn't that much of a threat on that cattle spot, right? They aren't even visible on the map...
Its Z BTW. Very useful for making dotmaps.
Sultan Bhargash
Trickster Reincarnated
Don't expect me to do screenshots. I don't do screenshots. I will keep extremely accurate notes though.
We probably don't need screenshots every time. The notes are more important. Screenshots are more eye candy for the lurkers. Except CGannon's dotmap.
What kind of schedule are we on? Strict 24 hour 'got it,' or more flexible? I'm a bigger fan of the former, especially since I'm going away on the 11th of March, and would like to get as much of the game in as possible.
What kind of schedule are we on? Strict 24 hour 'got it,' or more flexible? I'm a bigger fan of the former, especially since I'm going away on the 11th of March, and would like to get as much of the game in as possible.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Originally posted by cromagnon
Except CGannon's dotmap.
Hey, its coming along, give me time. I just need to get a little Civ time free, that and a giant government sponsor.
24 hours for the got it, 48 hours from the got it to to play. That's how my games usually work, and it works out fine. If you don't give the got it by then - if you are AWOL - you get benched and skipped automatically next time you are up until you post in the thread.
I run a tight ship.
Sultan Bhargash
Trickster Reincarnated
I want this game done by Thursday, ya hear?
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Here's the dotmap. Feel free to comment, I'm sure I screwed up with the placement somewhere. Its not like I'm making this the official - think of it as a suggestion. Green is immediate future, Yellow is soon, and Red is long term.
EDIT: Hmm, I'm having some trouble uploading it. I'll try tomorrow.
EDIT: Hmm, I'm having some trouble uploading it. I'll try tomorrow.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Are you crazy?
Try in a month. SGs always take a while.Had already played prior to the discussion on city placement and decided to go for Cattle/horsies.
1500-1425 not much,settler/hoplite heading to cattle
1400 arabian scout appears,tech prices come down but i decide to wait
1375-1350 Nada
1325 sparta builds barracks and starts hoplite. Thermopylae founded starts hoplite
1300 our contact has been sold to spain and celts and this starts a series of 11 trades which results in us having contacts with the ottoman and japan as well as writing,mysticism and horse riding
1275 we establish embassies with abe,cleo and abu
1250 -
1225 sparta builds hoplite and starts a worker
1200-
1175 sparta builds worker and starts a hoplite
1150 athens builds a settler and starts another, i think long about where to go but decide to go SE where we can see an american worker
1125-
1100 iron is now connected
1075 thermopylae builds hoplite and starts worker
1050 sparta builds hoplite starts worker. corinth founded starts worker
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/CG4-1050AD.SAV
1500-1425 not much,settler/hoplite heading to cattle
1400 arabian scout appears,tech prices come down but i decide to wait
1375-1350 Nada
1325 sparta builds barracks and starts hoplite. Thermopylae founded starts hoplite
1300 our contact has been sold to spain and celts and this starts a series of 11 trades which results in us having contacts with the ottoman and japan as well as writing,mysticism and horse riding
1275 we establish embassies with abe,cleo and abu
1250 -
1225 sparta builds hoplite and starts a worker
1200-
1175 sparta builds worker and starts a hoplite
1150 athens builds a settler and starts another, i think long about where to go but decide to go SE where we can see an american worker
1125-
1100 iron is now connected
1075 thermopylae builds hoplite and starts worker
1050 sparta builds hoplite starts worker. corinth founded starts worker
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/CG4-1050AD.SAV
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Nice trading, swiftsure. I agree that priority should be the SE, but the grassland to the North also. The grassland shouldn't be too hard to do - it only fits about three cities - but there is alot of plains down there. And irrigated plains are very good.
Sultan-->Up Now
Aggie-->On Deck
Me
Cromagnon
Swiftsure
Sultan-->Up Now
Aggie-->On Deck
Me
Cromagnon
Swiftsure
Beatiful work on the placement of Corinth, Swiftsure! And I wish I could have seen the trading you did, because I didn't expect us to have a huge treasury and good gpt afterward. I guess waiting paid off.
I was going to give you a hard time about the placement of Thermopylae (which does not give us access to horses until we build a temple/library), but it does give more room in the middle to put a few cities. I'm more of a swordsman than horseman player.
Good news! The lake is freshwater! Irrigation won't be a problem down south. My ideal would be to grab the spices to the NE, and the huge ivory patch to the south.
Sultan, as Athens grows in 2 turns, you'll need to do some micromanaging to increase SPT.
CGannon, feel to use the dotmap I sent you by PM, if you want to save yourself some time.
I was going to give you a hard time about the placement of Thermopylae (which does not give us access to horses until we build a temple/library), but it does give more room in the middle to put a few cities. I'm more of a swordsman than horseman player.
Good news! The lake is freshwater! Irrigation won't be a problem down south. My ideal would be to grab the spices to the NE, and the huge ivory patch to the south.
Sultan, as Athens grows in 2 turns, you'll need to do some micromanaging to increase SPT.
CGannon, feel to use the dotmap I sent you by PM, if you want to save yourself some time.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Post yours, cromagnon. I'm still having trouble with Uploading mine, and yours was made on the updated map, while mine isn't. Just a quick question: on your dotmap, is the space inbetween the cities implyed as being filler cities, or will it got to waste (unused)?
Some comments:
Egypt is probably headed toward us. The red dot cuts her off somewhat and gets us spices. I included the hot pink
dot, as I didn't see Iron in her diplo screen, which suggests that we could deny her that resource as well as grab
some more spices, even though the jungle sucks (for now). But pink is a lower priority for me than Red.
The dark blue dot is on an ivory mine. America has only one or two ivories, and I doubt that there will be more ivory
elsewhere in the world. This spot would give us some trading power.
If we go for dark blue, we're likely to lose white to America, which I included to cut Lincoln off. I put it on the freshwater
tile, although it could also be placed SW one tile. I would rather go for dark blue than white.
The other three dots are relatively well-protected, and less of a priority for me, although they would make pretty
good cities. There's also room for one or two more cities just south of Athens.
My inclination would be to go for red, then dark blue. Maybe switch Thermopylae's worker for a settler to grab blue and red simultaneously (especially since we already have a hoplite to the south)
