Cheating -- a 164-word story/brief

[Kyriakos]

@Kyriakos ,
Is Greek language by cultural nature not much lyrical than English ?
and inviting precision ?

If I compare Dutch to Flemish, there is such a difference.
Basic Dutch plain, but allowing for an enormous amount of double dutch.
Flemish inviting for almost baroque use in literature.



That is I think remarkable.
I did not mind at all who I was or what I thought about myself up to I was perhaps 20 or so.... to focussed on what was at hand and happy with the horizon that lay ahead of me.
I do remember from when I was 8-10 some moments where I wondered where I was related to other people.
And talking about "who I was" started as a gadget as part of talking with girls, but mostly I talked about other things. Thinking, reflecting on myself followed in the wake of that.

Compared to english, greek is certainly more lyrical, not least due to allowing for more ways to link different parts of language, eg including (afaik) all ways in english and german. For example, in greek you can place the noun in different parts of the verb or pronoun, for poetic effect. Moreover the use is standard. Eg in english it would be peculiar to write 'An x am I' without meaning some poetic sentiment; you'd just write 'I am an x', but in greek you can write 'I am an x', 'Am x', 'X am', 'X am i', while the more poetic form can include even 'X am i an' etc.

Re my elementary school years, yes, i was not at all something common. Not that it helped much, cause ultimately i developed a massive theory, which - inevitably- could not feature things to come afterwards (puberty etc), so it caused more destabilization later on.

Going from some info (including specific memories of the period) my turn to self-focus and introversion gained momentum at the end of my seventh year. Why exactly remains largely - despite something like 3K pages of notes on that alone - not that clear, but there are various theories i have

 

[Hrothbern]

so it caused more destabilization later on

Going with the flow has her advantages there....

But being authentic to yourself as you enfold contains for me a charm as well
and I guess more colors and depth ?

 

[Kyriakos]

Going with the flow has her advantages there....

But being authentic to yourself as you enfold contains for me a charm as well
and I guess more colors and depth ?

Yes. But only as long as one doesn't doubt it. Kafka says somewhere that a sudden turn - any turn - would cause the collapse (though in that story he is literally a bridge, and wanting to have a look he turns, thus the bridge already collapses to the pointed stones in the stream below )
Ultimately, though, it was a massive work, which at some point just was not sustainable due to other issues.

 

[Takhisis]

"
Όταν ήμουν στο δημοτικό θεωρούσα πως τα επόμενα δέκα χρόνια – άλλη τόση η ηλικία μου – θα διαρκούσαν τόσο πολύ που σχεδόν ήταν σαν να έκλεβα τόσο που θα ζούσα. Οι αναμνήσεις που είχα ήδη ήταν πολλές, και σύνθετες, και μου φαινόταν εντυπωσιακό πόσες θα έχω, και πόσα θα σκεφτώ, και πόσο θα ήταν πιο σύνθετα τα μελλοντικά όπως αντίστοιχα ήταν πιο σύνθετα όσα είχα στα δέκα μου από εκείνα των περασμένων χρόνων. Κανείς δεν γνωρίζει σε εκείνη την ηλικία πως δέκα χρόνια παιδικής ζωής είναι συνήθως πιο πλούσια σε αλλαγές από τριάντα της ενήλικης.
Η καρδιά του παιδιού κτυπά με ρυθμό που το καλεί να μάθει νέα πράγματα. Εκείνα τα νέα που, τελικά, θα γίνουν η κατοπινή και σταθερή του ζωή.
"

Ευχαριστώ πολύ.

 

[Kyriakos]

Ευχαριστώ πολύ.

If you want to see something funny, try feeding it to google translate. I did, and it also produced this phrase:

Nobody knows at that age that ten years of childhood are usually more abundant in changes than thirty adults.

Indeed, nobody knows that!

 

[Thorgalaeg]

I consider myself to be the anti-Kyriakos because we approach writing from the opposite directions. I embrace simplicity. Your writing is acrobatic and lyrical. I therefore would not be surprised if you decided the following observations and suggestions are of no use to you whatsoever.

 

[Broken_Erika]

I consider myself to be the anti-Kyriakos because we approach writing from the opposite directions. I embrace simplicity. Your writing is acrobatic and lyrical. I therefore would not be surprised if you decided the following observations and suggestions are of no use to you whatsoever.
......

So if Kyriakos and Zkribbler come in physical contact, will they annihilate each other in a 100% release of literary energy? (i.e. matter/antimatter reaction?)

 

[Kyriakos]

I don't identify either. Though i don't even know how the main spanish writers look (eg Cervantes)

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Francisco de Quevedo vs Luis de Góngora. They were opposed poles stylistically, Quevedo being clear and actual and Góngora acrobatic and archaistic, hating each other with passion and writing many poems insulting the other.
It is the most famous enmity in spanish literature. Both writers were key in the golden age of Spanish literature and very influential for later generations.

Loose (and awful) translation of Quevedo's poem dedicated to Gongora's big nose:

There was once a man who had a nose.
It was a most impressive nose,
the nose of a killer,
a writer's nose,
a hairy pointed sword of a nose.

It was a like a badly-shaped sundial,
pensive and still,
it was an elephant turned upside down,
it was Ovid's nose, but…nosier.

It was like the breakwater from a galley,
it was an Egyptian pyramid,
it was the twelve tribes of noses.

It was a peach of a nose,
An infinite mass of nose,
A nose
so
fierce.

It is worse than it looks since having a big nose was indicative of having Jewish ancestry which in 17th century Spain was not any good.

 

[Kyriakos]

Francisco de Quevedo vs Luis de Góngora. They were opposed poles stylistically, Quevedo being clear and actual and Góngora acrobatic and archaistic, hating each other with passion and writing many poems insulting the other.
It is the most famous enmity in spanish literature. Both writers were key in the golden age of Spanish literature and very influential for later generations.

Only thing i know of Quevedo is that Borges mentions him a lot. That said, Borges infamously has sort of the same allusions or references to 5-6 authors appearing semi-randomly in a lot of his stories...
I tend to agree with one of his biographers, who noted that such references might have been - after a point - a sort of in-joke.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Quevedo was a very remarkable character. Spy, womanizer, adventurer and swordman (killed some guys in duel iirc). It is a main character in Alatriste novels. He and Góngora are among the main poets in Spanish language ever.

 

[Kyriakos]

Quevedo was a very remarkable character. Spy, womanizer, adventurer and swordman (killed some guys in duel iirc). It is a main character in Alatriste novels. He and Góngora are among the main poets in Spanish language ever.

Sounds like the exact opposite of Borges. The latter did tend to go on endlessly about 'men of action', though ^^
(at times with very crude effect too; don't take me wrong, i regard Borges as a very notable writer, but he had incredibly bad and open wounds)

 

[Thorgalaeg]

According to Borges himself he preferred Quevedo to Góngora, but I see Borges as much more similar to the later, always buried among books looking for esoteric knowledge and dreaming of ancient worlds and weird stuff. Maybe being mostly a layman i am totally wrong, dont know. This essay will give a deeper insight though, if you dont mind using google translator:

https://circulodepoesia.com/2014/01/borges-y-gongora/