China UHV, Regent/Normal SVN revision 986

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Shortly after the birth of Cai Lun, the Chinese people discovered Paper.

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The Greeks are running autocracy, have Pericles as their leader, and know how to make a compass but not metal casting? Oh boy.

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Luoyang finishes Notre Dame and the pressure on unhappiness is temporarily relieved.

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The Apostolic Palace has been built in Beijing and the Great Schism takes place. We choose to stay Catholic but Orthodoxy is founded in Luoyang and the Hagia Sophia is built there.

With the Apostolic Palace built, all Catholic buildings in Catholic cities provides 2 extra .

 

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We are elected Pope in the first Catholic meeting.

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Selling Metal Casting to India for gold and world map.

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I think given the awkward GP modifier that China has, some of the GGs in the name list should be dropped. Cao Cao and Zhuge Liang that follows do not suit the time frame.

To successfully defend the barb horse archers, we need 4 mobile spearmen in Beijing and 2 in Sanshan. And have a unit station on the iron hill to discourage passage through that choke point. The silk road will draw many horse archers to China very quickly.

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We meet Kammu of Japan. Japan is our next target. Steal Civil Service from them and take their land.

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With the discovery of Divine Right, Islam is founded in Fuzhou(again). Looking back at it now, we have absolutely no use for Islam, though its wonders are alluring.

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Greece lost the neo Greco-Persian War and collapsed afterwards.

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The victorious Darius I becomes interested in learning about world geography.

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The rice from the East also suits his appetite quite well.

 

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Some traitorous ninjas have sold Japan's secret knowledge to the Chinese at a very low price.

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We adopt Absolutism right after learning Civil Service. Our capital Luoyang will be greatly boosted by it.

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Meeting Songtsen Gampo of Tibet. Tibet has sheep and incense that we lack(the incense plantation near Beijing is constantly harrassed by barbarians).

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Why is Harun al-Rashid so angry about us? He should travel to Fuzhou to visit the holy city some time.

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Riots in our southern border city.

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This again, Tibet gets wiped out by barbs. They'll respawn 1 turn later, don't worry.

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Cao Cao choose to lead an elite trebuchet unit. I love 2-move siege weapons.

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Selling Theology to Darius I.

 

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The Tibetans respawned. We begin to research Music in order to build the cathedrals.

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Suryavarman II bowing down to his worst enemy.

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The Tang invades Japanese territory. Historically speaking China has claim to the islands(through Naha).

8 Cho-Ko-Nus would be better, 6 are not quite enough.

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The Apostolic Palace meeting has brought Vikings to contact us.

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We take Kyouto at the cost of 1 Cho-Ko-Nu. It's a bit tight to take Edo with our remaining army.

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Time to buy Feudalism. The Pyramids and Colosseum are good, but good things come to an end. We need Guilds to continue our research.

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We are already working toward the first historical goal. A lot of temples(big and small) are being built across the empire.

 

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I want the Leaning Tower wonder to be built in Luoyang to accelerate the birth of GP there, Scholaticism is less important.

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General Cao Cao crushes the Japanese defenders and walks his army into Edo.

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Having lost all core cities, Kammu capitulates. The 1 extra happiness matters.

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In 750 AD we dicovered Guilds. We are finally able to train knights, the most powerful unit of the time.

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Guilds+Vassalage, the unit maintenance cost is too high otherwise.

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A great beast appeared near a Khmer camp! I guest it was killed and feasted upon.

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Hunnic horse archers keep coming.

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We meet Isabella of Spain and Charlemagne of France on the next Apostolic Palace meeting.

 

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The Indonesians of Southeast Asia gets discovered by our galley.

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OB within all Catholic civilizations.

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Patronage is discovered on turn 201, 800 AD.

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The free GA we received, together with one of our GEs, starts a golden age. The game can be won at as early as 1120 AD, so it seems.

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Another great engineer, Zhang Heng is born in Luoyang.

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Marble import from Persia is no longer possible, we are negotiating another deal.

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Luoyang finishes the Leaning Tower.

 

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Take a look at this magnificent city in 820 AD!

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War with Tibet is on. In this situation 2 Cho-Ko-Nus are enough to take Rasa.

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We discover Gunpowder, the third of the four great inventions.

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Zhuge Liang in 850 AD is kind of off, he's only slight younger than Cao Cao.

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We take Rasa and Tibet is gone. The sheep will solve Luoyang's health problem.

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Zhuge Liang chooses to lead another siege unit, just like Cao Cao.

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from tech sale keeps our research going. Discovering Printing Press by 880 AD will trigger our 2/3 UHV goal check golden age and keeps the golden age going uninterupted/

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We meet Alfred of England.

 

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With Printing Press we enter the Renaissance era and the Chinese UP expires. The 2/3 UHV golden age is triggered and we get 1 extra turn of GA.

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Protestantism is founded in Luoyang. How do we deal with the Reformation?

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Without the Chinese UP, researching new technology requires +20% .

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I choose to join the counter-reformation, I haven't built the Versailles yet!

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And that means war against Spain, France and Holy Rome. There's a bug in conversion probability, that's why you see Protestant Spain so often.

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Protestantism spreads to our cities but doesn't replace Catholicism. I rarely convert to Protestantism upon founding it, but instant gold and a free shrine can also be good.

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From now on it's just golden ages till victory.

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War against Holy Rome has its upside -- Arabia is willing to OB.

 

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Doing a bit of trading with India.

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Of course, as the Pope and the dominant majority, crusades against Spain, France and Holy Rome are inevitable.

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Every bit of gold is helpful.

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Aomen finishes the Versailles, it starts our 3rd GA.

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We import spices from the Tamils.

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Great scientist Ban Zhao is born in Shanghai, we need another GP for our 4th golden age.

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Our first knight is out! Soon we'll send an army west along the silk road to solve the barb problem once and for all.

 

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Meanwhile we invade Khmer land in search of ivory and spices.

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The San Marco Basilica is built in Shanghai.

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The Taj Mahal can start another golden age, but we need to convert to Islam to build it. We don't need it this game.

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Cho-Ko-Nus' collateral damage is very useful in a winning battle, and the GG-attached bombards make sure they have winning odds. Angkor is ours.

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Su Shi, Ban Zhao and Cai Lun together start our 4th and final golden age in this game. Now we just need to wait until victory.

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Our knights are almost ready.

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Let's circumnavigate before the game ends!

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Spreading Islam is tedious when the cities are already multi-religious. I think I failed 5 times at spreading Islam to Shanghai, that's 5 wasted turns for Luoyang.

 

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This time the crusade is against France. I don't think any actual wars are fought.

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Dunhuang is burnt.

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So is Kashgar. The two cities are just worthless in game.

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Our knights were too busy plundering that they accidentally destroyed the road.

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Don't miss any profitable trade.

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Let's end this meaningless war.

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People of Shanghai refuse Islam.

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Meeting the Moorish people.

 

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Do we still need marble?

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Beijing finishes the Sistine Chapel the next turn.

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Afrasiyab is also burnt to the ground.

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Luoyang is a omnipotent city in this period of the game.

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Keshik and Seljuks.

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Will our 4000-year-old warrior survive this lion?

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We meet Casimir III of Poland.

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Persia is destroyed by the Seljuks.

 

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More meaningless crusades, this time against Holy Rome.

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Combat II knights are already quite powerful.

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Random events.

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Great artist Li Bo is born in Luoyang.

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We take Artacoana from the Seljuks. Why do we even send our army here? I have no idea.

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We have circumnavigated the globe and proven the world is round.

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If we didn't research Divine Right and found Islam, we could buy it from Mali now.

 

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Isfahan is auto-razed upon capture.

The rest are some end-game screenshots.

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Wonders in barbarian and independent cities are not displayed.

 

[calad]

Well that was well exploited game

I think Leoreth will in future rework how religions are founded and how wonders are built. It hardly makes historically sense that China is able to outproduce everybody else.

Btw where did you build 8 temples? Can you post a final screen of your cities.

 

[calad]

Well that was well exploited game

I think Leoreth will in future rework how religions are founded and how wonders are built. It hardly makes historically sense that China is able to outproduce everybody else.

Btw where did you build 8 temples? Can you post a final screen of your cities.

 

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Well that was well exploited game

I think Leoreth will in future rework how religions are founded and how wonders are built. It hardly makes historically sense that China is able to outproduce everybody else.

Btw where did you build 8 temples? Can you post a final screen of your cities.

I don't think China needs any more nerfing, this is Regent, of course you can do something amazing under this difficulty level. And AI China typically keeps collapsing and respawning and have no influence outside its small historical area.

As for the 8 temples, here's where I built them: Luoyang, Shanghai, Beijing, Sanshan, Hancheng, Fuzhou, Naha, Haojing, Hanoi.

That's actually 9 cities. An alternative city placement is settling Beijing 1E and Shanghai 1S, skip Fuzhou.

Build the big temples in your more productive cities, or anywhere you like.

 

[Eric Cartmenez]

Good to see Fresol back on the track

That is some piece of a multicultural China. I love to play as China, what I dislike is, that the same problem you experienced can ruin the UHV /Compass - Greece or Carthage in my games/.

Please, would you consider Mongolia in the future, I am totally not able to win their UHV, with lots of S/L I can conquer China, razing in the first 20 turns penalty free period, keeping like 3 Chinese cities, even discovering Military science entering the Rennaisance era, my expansion stability sucks, not talking about the territory goal ...

 

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Hmm, with Mongolia you should keep all Chinese cities if possible.

Have you checked the UHV thread? I think citis' guide is pretty useful. You need to keep as many Chinese cities as possible, forget about optimal city placement, the more cities you can control earlier, the stronger you will become later. Research Sailing, and acquire Drama->Music, other techs are not very relevant. Raze small cities that can't provide you with extra territory, you know, there are always more cities to raze.

 

[ales_]

Great to see you're back!