warpus said:
This thread has been started as a result of
Kathy's rather bold claim that Christianity and Islam have
NOTHING in common.
I know it's pretty ridiculous, but hey, I'm going to defend my point... My point being that there are indeed many similarities. The two are obviously different religions, but to claim that there is
NOTHING in common between them can't be anything other than rhetoric and/or wishful thinking.
I posted a short list off the top of my head in another thread. You can find it below:
- Followers of both religions believe in the same God
- Both religions are monotheistic
- Both claim to trace their origins back to the same person (Abraham)
- Both believe in the second coming of Jesus
- Both believe in the soul
- Both believe that after death, a person's soul is judged by God
- Both believe that the Old Testament is the word of God
Kathy boldly claims that all my points are wrong. I hereby challenge her (or anyone else) to refute them here. You are also welcome to bring your own points into the debate (as these were just off the top of my head). I've also included a poll for statistical purposes.
Discuss!
My name is not Kathy. If you have to shorten it, I can go by Kay.
1) Followers of both religions believe in the same God
The Christian God is Jesus Christ. He is described as follows:
Colossians 1:
He hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the Kingdom of His dear Son,
in whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.
For by Him were all things created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He might have the preeminence.
For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell,
and having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to
reconcile all things unto Himself...
This is our God. The Creator of the Universe is just called Jesus Christ (above)
This is NOT the Muslim God. They vehemently deny this God.
- Both religions are monotheistic
Per Muslims, to believe in the Trinity is POLYTHEISM. Christians believe in the Trinity. 90% of them, anyway.
- Both claim to trace their origins back to the same person (Abraham)
I showed you in the last thread that this makes no difference if they are both say that they are the son of the promise, the Muslims say the son of promise is Ishmael and the Jews/Christians say it is Isaac. The Jewish Holy Book came thousands of years before the Muslim's Koran, surely you know this.
- Both believe in the second coming of Jesus
They are two different individuals. Jesus, to the Christians, is described above, He is the name above all names, Almighty God, the Alpha and the Omega, The I AM. The Son of God, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Jehovah. Muslims would never describe Jesus in any of these ways. Only as a prophet.
- Both believe in the soul
Christians believe in "original sin" which means that they are fallen, they are evil, "there is no one good, no not one." They are unable to please God. They are unable to be reconciled with God because their sin keeps them from Him. Muslims do not believe that the soul is completely fallen - they believe they can please God on their own, which Christians reject. They think that as long as they keep the rules given to Mohammed, they can please God. They do not believe that man is hopeless without a Redeemer. The concept of "soul" is completely different.
- Both believe that after death, a person's soul is judged by God
Christians believe that since Jesus Christ died for their sins, they have 'passed from judgment into life' that "there is now, therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus". That now, since Christ died for their sins, and is raised from the dead, there is nothing in heaven or on earth, or anything below the earth, nothing exists that can separate them from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus.
- Both believe that the Old Testament is the word of God
Again, how can Muslims believe in the Old Testament when they believe that Ishmael is the son of promise? That Ishmael is the one who received all the promises of God? There are literally dozens of references to Isaac, Jacob, his 12 sons, including Joseph, and Moses and so on and so forth. How is this possible?
Actually they think it has been tampered with in a big way.
