Citizen Rights

[ravensfire]

The game is about buliding a goverment to play the game, the legitimate goverment elected by the citizens. Citizens must be "some one" other wise how will census or quorm work. Also some people find the courts and such fun. For a citizen to be represented it means they must be a citizen.

So what's wrong with "A citizen is any member of CFC that participates in the Demogame."

Why be so exclusive? Why not PREVENT some of the problems that HAVE already occured, but making the ACT of participating the sole criteria for being a citizen?

Census/Quorum is based on the election polls, which are private. I don't know who voted in them, do you? I'm certainly not going to ask TF to validate every election poll. That's the ONLY way to verify that, under DG VII rules, that we have a "valid" census. I'm pretty sure that we have a few "non-citizens" that vote in our elections.

The DG concept is about inclusion and fun - not exclusion. Keep it simple - if they participate in the DG in any way, they are a citizen.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Knightlancer]

I found it real funny how Alpha tried to play peacemaker and both sides ignored him. It's real funny until you think about it then it's real sad.

-KL

 

[DaveShack]

Actually if the poll comes out in favor of requiring registration then I'm thinking about this:

Any law which uses registration in the Citizen's Registry as a criteria for allowing or disallowing any action must permit a grace period of not less than [insert days], to allow the person to register.
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I was thinking this has to be at least the amount of time we use as a maximum unannounced absense. In Civ3DG7 this would be 1 week.

 

[Nobody]

OK i am happy with this but When i get elected i dont want people complaining about my La Cosa Nostras tactics. I could con people in Off Topic to vote for me and also get my freinds at home to sign up simply to vote.

 

[DaveShack]

OK i am happy with this but When i get elected i dont want people complaining about my La Cosa Nostras tactics. I could con people in Off Topic to vote for me and also get my freinds at home to sign up simply to vote.

That's OK, I'll just bring in the people from Civ4 General Discussions.

If your friends end up playing Civ or even better participating in the DG, then it's a bonus.

 

[Alighieri]

Natural Rights.

How about a Hobbesian view: You can do whatever you want where the law is silent.

(Note: I realise that there's no way anyone would accept this, but hey, it WOULD be simpler. )

 

[DaveShack]

I actually wrote something like that into a previous DG constitution. The US Constitution has it written in too, as the 9th and 10th amendments:

Amendment IX


The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

 

[DaveShack]

The Constitution Working Draft has been updated to allow lower forms of law to require registration in the citizen registry, with a mandatory grace period of at least 48 hours after a citizen is notified of the requirement, before any action can be taken.

That wraps up this section, right?

 

[Nobody]

I have nothing against that. infact i think it is good. didnt i post about this near the start of something?

 

[DaveShack]

I have nothing against that. infact i think it is good. didnt i post about this near the start of something?

You did, but I was holding off on the results of the poll to see if it was generally accepted that we still need the registry. It's a close vote, so I also thought about taking my chances and ignoring this issue, and if the Constitution gets ratified then so be it. I'm honest enough though to try to accomodate the (slight) majority's wishes.

The added sections are too complicated to fit in with the rest of the Constitution, but I don't want to say "lower forms of law may have a stricter requirement" without including the grace period language as well. Anyone skilled in logic should be able to see what would happen if the whole subsection were put into the CoL and we get the same court makeup we've had the last 2-3 games.

 

[Ginger_Ale]

If we are going to have the Citizen Registry be 'optional' (from the Working Draft Constitution, it says they are 'encouraged to register'), perhaps we should change the title of it?

We could just make it a thread where people can make one post about themselves (ie; timezones, age, aspirations, unit names, city names), but if they don't want to, they don't have to. It could be "Citizen Databank" or something; a registry where registration is optional just seems a bit weird.