Civ 3 Tournament Proposal

[Grey Fox]

Yes we will use version 1.21.

 

[Grey Fox]

Five new players has joined.

ELITE
Shaitan

VETERAN
God
Alexman
Ghengis_Brom
Drew Solyst

We now have 6Elite Players, 11 Veteran Players, 10 Regular Players.

Keep Joining, I want more Elite Players.

Mail me here: Frst01@student.bth.se add the word Tournament in the Subject.

 

[AndyS]

Don't worry about getting more elite players to start. After one or two rounds, the number of players in each division will even out.

 

[Grey Fox]

I know... but I want it to be more there from the start.

I want more for the other divisions aswell.

 

[whb]

Should there be a caveat that if you're winning most of your games then you can't be relegated?

I'm a Monarch player (on 1.17f) who doesn't fancy the idea of being told to play Chieftain just because I didn't thump the AI quite as thoroughly as the other people in my division did.

That or maybe we should make the promotion/relegation more voluntary. (I don't find Chieftain/Warlord fun, so I wouldn't take part in the tournament if I was put into that division).

whb

 

[Grey Fox]

I understand what you mean.

I don't know... but if everyone should drop the game just because they dropped a division, the tournament couldn't be played many weeks.


Any suggestions from other players?

 

[dikwhit]

Grey Fox it just crossed my mind,but I think its a distinct possibility that some of the players forced up a division may end up doing the same thing....... unfortunately. I think its something that will just have to be dealt with when it occurs though.

 

[alexman]

I think that moving up to a higher division should be voluntary, although still possible only if you are at or near the top of your old division. Moving down should also be voluntary, with no requirements. I don't think it's necessary to have an equal number of players in each division.

Forcing players to move (especially down) could make the tournament lose its "just for fun" flavor, and that might encourage cheating.

What do you think?

 

[dikwhit]

alex --- just for fun??????? I wanna smash everyone
but seriously i agree to some extent.....I think that forcing 50 % of the middle group to move is a bit much 25 % up,25% down. I think a solution might be that the winner and the completey worst player of each division should be forced up or down(no option). Aside from those four players(1 up from lowest,1up 1 down from middle, 1 down from elite), Grey Fox could make "recommendations" as to who should move up or down with the option of changing divisions being at the discretion of the individual.

any feedback or better ideas?

 

[AndyS]

Keep in mind that this is supposed to be a competition or tournament. The whole idea is to do better than everyone in your division so you can move up. That is the reward. If you finish in the bottom part of your division, you will move down. I don't see anything wrong with the way Grey Fox originally set this up. I normally play at Monarch. If I move down because all of the other Veteran Division players did better than me, so be it. I will try my best to make sure I move back to that division as soon as possible. Remember, even though you don't find lower levels challenging, the point is to do better than the other players at that level. At the lower levels, that means winning faster or with a higher score (depending on the current victory conditions set by Grey Fox). At the higher levels, it might mean losing the slowest.

Andy S

 

[Axid]

i say that if you are in top 3 you should move up and visa versa. and can't move up if aren't in top 5, if we get more players. cause if they are top 3 then they are probably ready fro the next level. that's just my two cents

 

[MightyMaus]

...I like the idea of theme games... OCCs, Space-Race-Only games, etc... how are these going to be incorporated into the game? Will they be chosen randomly, or will Grey Fox say, "Hey, this gave should be a 5CC"... I have no problem with the former /or/ the latter, just curious.
I'll let you all get back to your division movement discussion.

 

[God]

Well if you're a vet player and get moved down then next season just thrash the chieften and warlord games and move back up. Not a big deal.

Hopefully we'll have a few more players join(prefably not veteran ).

I like axid's idea of having top 3 move up, down. Not top 5.

 

[Pearman]

What are you guys talking about? It's a tournament, not a get together of civ players. The whole idea of a tournament like this is to try to move up and then stay as high as you can get. God is completely right, if you get moved down, so what. If you REALLY belong in the higher level, just whoop up on everyone the next month and move right back up. If you really dont belong in that level, you wont win the lower level either, and you'll stay there.

Remember, it's a tournament to see whose really good and who is not. If it become voluntary to move up or down, count me out. I can voluntarily move up or down in my own games, I want to play this tournament for the competition.

 

[Strider]

I agree with pearman, A point of a tournment is to see who's best. I think that moving up should be your own choice(your own lost), but you should be FORCED to move down. It's a tournment their designed to see who's best, If someone can't accept how most tournments are played then fine.

Let them quit

 

[Pearman]

Strider, I think that they should be forced to move up as well. If they're good enough to get in the top 25% of their division, they should have to move up and try the next division. If they're not good enough, they'll move back down the next month. Otherwise we might have a situation where only a couple people choose to move to the elite division, and we have way too many people in the other divisions.

 

[Falcon02]

I feel that the movement between divisions should be forced, the point is to get as high as you can, by work. It's like saying a sports team should "chose" whether to gain or lose ranking. Know that's not the best example, but you understand my point?

Anyway, the number of people in the tournament has really taken off. We just need more Elitists.

 

[whb]

The problem is that it is not simply a matter of ranking, but a matter of game settings.

In the last GOTM, on Monarch, with a horrible starting position, 2/3 of the competitors still beat the AI. Over 6 Regent and Monarch games, I'd say 90% of the veteran competitors will beat the AI fairly consitsently.

So, some relegation spots in veteran division almost certainly will be occupied by people who can beat the AI, but are not good at "score maximisation". And we're planning relegating these people to a division where *everyone* will beat the AI and it is *all* about "score maximisation"? And that's supposed to be a "more appropriate" division for them?



whb

 

[Grey Fox]

No it's not only about "Score Maximization" (a talent in itself If I may say so), but mostly about Finishing Early, and finishing early with the Specific goal set out.

The first game might be a Fastest Spaceship Victory. Then It's that goal you are supposed to aim at. Your score is almost only half of your points, which are based on a percentage of the best scorer and fastest finisher.

 

[Pearman]

If you had read the whole thread, you would see that the scoring system is made so that people can do well without milking the game. Only the lowest 25% will be moved down, and if youre in the lowest 25%, that means that you aren't really good at the level youre playing, and you'll move down.

Once again, you have to remember that the whole point of this tournament is to be a competition. If you don't want to be competitive, don't play. . .