Civ 5

[Jabarto]

My friend's dad has a super computer, 32GB RAM, dual quad core (2.93GHz) It's store bought

32 gigs of RAM is so obscenely over the top that it boggles the mind. Even as cheap as RAM is, that's 16 times what most computers need to run. I don't know what such a thing costs but I'll wager I could probably get a decent used car for the same price.

My point is that my old computer had a 2.00 GHz dual cores CPU, 1GB of RAM, and an nVidia GeForce 6150. It cost $1100.

My new computer has a 3.00GHz dual core CPU, 4GB of RAM, and (had) an nVidia 8800GT. It cost $900.

Exceptions like what you describe exist, but the fact remains that a self-made one will always get you far more bang for your buck. However, most people don't build theirs themselves.

Anyway it's a moot point since what I'm describing are problems intrinsic to the coding of the game, not the hardware of the PC.

 

[civ_king]

32 gigs of RAM is so obscenely over the top that it boggles the mind. Even as cheap as RAM is, that's 16 times what most computers need to run. I don't know what such a thing costs but I'll wager I could probably get a decent used car for the same price.

My point is that my old computer had a 2.00 GHz dual cores CPU, 1GB of RAM, and an nVidia GeForce 6150. It cost $1100.

My new computer has a 3.00GHz dual core CPU, 4GB of RAM, and (had) an nVidia 8800GT. It cost $900.

Exceptions like what you describe exist, but the fact remains that a self-made one will always get you far more bang for your buck. However, most people don't build theirs themselves.

Anyway it's a moot point since what I'm describing are problems intrinsic to the coding of the game, not the hardware of the PC.

He uses photoshop, A LOT, he has 8x4GB RAM sticks

 

[dr.Hyde]

Interesting, I'll get a new PC this week. 8GB DDR3 of ram but it's I7 860 CPU (quad core with hyper threading support), a SSD drive with 256 GB ram (that thing is freaking EXPENSIVE, you can get a moderate PC for it's price alone) and a 5970 graphics card (2GB DDR5 RAM and DX11 support). I simply wasn't able to find a motherboard that would allow me to have more RAM. You basically need to order them and then wait for a provider to import it. Takes too long and I just didn't want to wait so much. 8GB seems enough, at least for now.

I can't wait to fire up this mod and CIV V on it.

 

[civ_king]

Interesting, I'll get a new PC this week. 8GB DDR3 of ram but it's I7 860 CPU (quad core with hyper threading support), a SSD drive with 256 GB ram (that thing is freaking EXPENSIVE, you can get a moderate PC for it's price alone) and a 5970 graphics card (2GB DDR5 RAM and DX11 support). I simply wasn't able to find a motherboard that would allow me to have more RAM. You basically need to order them and then wait for a provider to import it. Takes too long and I just didn't want to wait so much. 8GB seems enough, at least for now.

I can't wait to fire up this mod and CIV V on it.

Yeah, he uses a Mac Pro Motherboard so It takes up to 64GB
and he has hyper-threading dual-quad core 2.93 GHz way over the top, but he drew the line at 32GB not the lunacy of 64GB RAM (which the computer can actually handle)


I'm Running through to figure how much he spent and I believe it is

Two 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Mac Pro RAID Card
3x NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB
Two 18x SuperDrives
~$6,999
Then he added
4x8GB RAM for $1735.92

And I'm not sure about Hard Drive

 

[Stormwind]

Interesting, I'll get a new PC this week. 8GB DDR3 of ram but it's I7 860 CPU (quad core with hyper threading support), a SSD drive with 256 GB ram (that thing is freaking EXPENSIVE, you can get a moderate PC for it's price alone) and a 5970 graphics card (2GB DDR5 RAM and DX11 support). I simply wasn't able to find a motherboard that would allow me to have more RAM. You basically need to order them and then wait for a provider to import it. Takes too long and I just didn't want to wait so much. 8GB seems enough, at least for now.

I can't wait to fire up this mod and CIV V on it.

A quick check on the P55 Intel chipset boards says, they all support 16GB with 4 RAM slots, but 4GB RAM Modules (mostly sold as 2x4GB kits) are very expensive.

 

[Jabarto]

Interesting, I'll get a new PC this week. 8GB DDR3 of ram but it's I7 860 CPU (quad core with hyper threading support), a SSD drive with 256 GB ram (that thing is freaking EXPENSIVE, you can get a moderate PC for it's price alone) and a 5970 graphics card (2GB DDR5 RAM and DX11 support). I simply wasn't able to find a motherboard that would allow me to have more RAM. You basically need to order them and then wait for a provider to import it. Takes too long and I just didn't want to wait so much. 8GB seems enough, at least for now.

I can't wait to fire up this mod and CIV V on it.

What is it with this RAM obsession? 4 gigs is more than most people will ever need.

 

[civ_king]

What is it with this RAM obsession? 4 gigs is more than most people will ever need.

Photoshop demands it, also 10 years ago computers came with 512MB RAM

 

[szemek77]

What is it with this RAM obsession? 4 gigs is more than most people will ever need.

Most people - probably, but players have their own needs

Believe or not, with my 4GB RAM (however, XP can use only 3,3 GB) I still get MAFs sometimes when playing RoM/AND in later stages of the game.

nteresting, I'll get a new PC this week. 8GB DDR3 of ram but it's I7 860 CPU (quad core with hyper threading support), a SSD drive with 256 GB ram (that thing is freaking EXPENSIVE, you can get a moderate PC for it's price alone) and a 5970 graphics card (2GB DDR5 RAM and DX11 support). I simply wasn't able to find a motherboard that would allow me to have more RAM. You basically need to order them and then wait for a provider to import it. Takes too long and I just didn't want to wait so much. 8GB seems enough, at least for now.

Hope you won't have any problems with SSD drive. As far as I know this technology have, or had some issues.

 

[Stormwind]

Today SSDs have very few issues, an IT magazine here tried to wear out the memory cells over the course of nearly a year (with methods a normal user would probably stress the SSD for nearly 5 years) and had no problems.

MAFs in Windows are the result of a limit Microsoft put on the memory use of programs. 32bit processes (even those on 64bit windows) are restricted to 2GB memory (RAM and pagefile), with an option set in the exe (and which is in the BtS 3.19 exe) the amount is 3GB on 32bit windows and 4GB on 64bit windows. On 32bit Windows you have to enable 3GB of userspace to make processes use more than 2GB. 64bit programs on 64bit Windows have a limit of 8TB.

 

[civ_king]

Today SSDs have very few issues, an IT magazine here tried to wear out the memory cells over the course of nearly a year (with methods a normal user would probably stress the SSD for nearly 5 years) and had no problems.

MAFs in Windows are the result of a limit Microsoft put on the memory use of programs. 32bit processes (even those on 64bit windows) are restricted to 2GB memory (RAM and pagefile), with an option set in the exe (and which is in the BtS 3.19 exe) the amount is 3GB on 32bit windows and 4GB on 64bit windows. On 32bit Windows you have to enable 3GB of userspace to make processes use more than 2GB. 64bit programs on 64bit Windows have a limit of 8TB.

uh no... hardware limitations cap it at 64GB for high-end boards ATM

 

[dr.Hyde]

A quick check on the P55 Intel chipset boards says, they all support 16GB with 4 RAM slots, but 4GB RAM Modules (mostly sold as 2x4GB kits) are very expensive.

Yes, thats true. Also, this is another thing that would need to be ordered and then waited until provider imports it. They were simply not sold in the catalog. Provider probably assumed that noone would buy them due to the price. If they were sold I do belive I would get that 16GB ram. Instead I got 4x2GB's of RAM.

 

[dr.Hyde]

Hope you won't have any problems with SSD drive. As far as I know this technology have, or had some issues.

Indeed, I was checking it out if there are some issues with these drives but from what I saw, most of the problems are ironed out. Although some earlier models had problems, new firmware supposedly fixed them. The specific drive I'm getting is tested as solid and reliable, although you never know. For it's price, it better be.

Btw, since they don't have mechanical parts they should break down much less then their HDD counterparts. I hope this proves to be true.

 

[CivTbone]

uh no... hardware limitations cap it at 64GB for high-end boards ATM

Actually 8 TB is correct for a 64 bit operating system, which isn't hardware. As hardware as not as of yet managed to catch up to the software, 64 GB cap is correct for hardware.

I want one of those boards and ram... right now, I'm getting a new board and adding 6 GB ram more to my system for a total of 12 GB (not including the ATI x2 Radeon 4870 2 GB videocard, which would mean my system is at 14 GB ram..) An i720 chip though. fricking water cooling system took out my mobo, lol.

 

[Afforess]

The actual limit for RAM with 64bit depends on hardware and software. Windows 7 Home Premuim only goes up to 168GB, if I recall. Pro & Ultimate go to the 8TB. Then, your Mobo may affect things too...

 

[szemek77]

Indeed, I was checking it out if there are some issues with these drives but from what I saw, most of the problems are ironed out. Although some earlier models had problems, new firmware supposedly fixed them. The specific drive I'm getting is tested as solid and reliable, although you never know. For it's price, it better be.

Btw, since they don't have mechanical parts they should break down much less then their HDD counterparts. I hope this proves to be true.

Actually the articles which I'm refering to came in 2008 and early 2009. One year in modern IT is like an era now so I hope all the problems has been solved and you wouldn't need to use those two swords on your SSD drive.

 

[dr.Hyde]

Well, I just finished setting up PC and I must say that SSD works like a charm. Lightning fast and no sound/heat at all. No problems installing it (basically it's connected and installed just like standard SATA HDD) and it's light an small (2.5"). I'm quite pleased the way new PC performs so far. It will be a blast to play this mod.

 

[civ_king]

The actual limit for RAM with 64bit depends on hardware and software. Windows 7 Home Premuim only goes up to 168GB, if I recall. Pro & Ultimate go to the 8TB. Then, your Mobo may affect things too...

Snow Leopard has a theoretical maximum of 16 TERABYTES!
Therefore Snow Leopard>Windozes 7

 

[Afforess]

Snow Leopard has a theoretical maximum of 16 TERABYTES!
Therefore Snow Leopard>Windozes 7

8TB should be enough for anyone.

 

[zappara]

Snow Leopard has a theoretical maximum of 16 TERABYTES!
Therefore Snow Leopard>Windozes 7

...and theoretical limit of 64bit systems is 16 exabytes which is over 16 million terabytes I bet we're staying on 64bit operating systems for a while....

 

[civ_king]

8TB should be enough for anyone.

For consumers, Macs are used in the entertainment and music industry which need more RAM