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MilesGregarius
Half-baked Renegade
Another (half) Asian, here.
Born in the States to a Korean father and currently living in Seoul.
Ergo...Korean or American civs work fine for me.
Born in the States to a Korean father and currently living in Seoul.
Ergo...Korean or American civs work fine for me.
It pisses me off when people say they're American. I've been here since 1639, my grandfathers founded the place and you guys try to take all the credit.
This reminds me of something Raymond Williams (Welsh historian) once said.
A very posh English student at Oxford said, "What you have to understand Williams is that my family has a stake in this country. We came over with William the Conquerer."
Williams replied, "So how are you liking it then?"
Crowqueen
Token forum woman
Algeroth - from your "Location" I would say there is more to you than meets the eye...privyet - menya zavut Luiza, i tyt za menya Mikhail, moi budushchiy muzh... 
AQ - who is that in your avatar? From BTS I assume (haven't got it) but perhaps a better one for me too rather than Uncle Joe.
AQ - who is that in your avatar? From BTS I assume (haven't got it) but perhaps a better one for me too rather than Uncle Joe.
Fin Imperial
Monarchist
I didn't want to give AQ the honor to tell it
. It's Boudica, the Celtic leader.
Crowqueen
Token forum woman
Thanks.
She's got a very sixties hairdo.
I'm off to change.
She's got a very sixties hairdo.
I'm off to change.
Sir Janus
Warlord
Bellerophontes
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It pisses me off when people say they're American. I've been here since 1639, my grandfathers founded the place and you guys try to take all the credit.
Most of the 'Americans' left on this continent live south of the border, or in internment camps. and I await criticism for that comment.
Given that, I *Don't* say I'm American, I'm United Statesian born and raised
Fin Imperial
Monarchist
I've wondering lately a lot why those who live in the United States are called Americans. Yes, I think they are Americans, but so Columbians and they're not called American the same way. Anyone have a philosophical or historical reason for that?Most of the 'Americans' left on this continent live south of the border, or in internment camps. and I await criticism for that comment.
Given that, I *Don't* say I'm American, I'm United Statesian born and raised
Amerigo Vespucci drew up the first detailed and widely circlulated maps for the Americas following Colombus' discovery.
MilesGregarius
Half-baked Renegade
Mainly it's because the US has no other geographical/ethnic reference for its populace, while the other American countries have other possible references to their citizens. Therefore, one can be American AND Canadian/Colombian/Haitian/what have you. We Yanks, on the other hand, have no other real reference, at least in English.
In Spanish, US citizens generally are called norteamericanos, though obviously this can apply to Canadians and even Mexicans, as well. We're also sometimes called estadosunidenses - essentially "United Statesers", which sounds rather clumsy in English.
MilesGregarius
Half-baked Renegade
Vespucci didn't actually name America, nor was he responsible for the first widely available maps. He did, however, sail far enough south to show that South America was a new continent, not the East Indies that Colombus had sought.
Cartography at that time was largely a German monopoly. Two such German cartographers, Martin Waldseemüller and Matthias Ringmann, drew up the first map showing the New World as such, mistakenly believing Vespucci to be the first European to reach it. Later, Waldseemüller tried to amend his mistake, but the name had already stuck.
In PC circles in the UK its common to call citizens of the US USAians. Works ok when written but sounds awful.
I don't think so. I don't see why americans would have less real reference than Canadians or any other citizen of the american continent who is not directly descending from native civilizations. "Europeans" are anybody who live in Europe, it should be the same for people who live on the american continent. I am also in favour of americans choosing another word like "USAian" or whatever. It's not our fault if "United States of America" is not a real country name, what a crap name seriously. Canada might as well have named itself "Consortium of North American Provinces and Territories", who would have inherited the "america" name then? Uh.
Crowqueen
Token forum woman
In Ireland the British Isles are called the Celtic Archipelago. Ditto.
Onagan
The Dutch
I allways call the citizens of the US, lesser-Canadians 
But i'm not sure if I offend any Canadian now
But i'm not sure if I offend any Canadian now
MilesGregarius
Half-baked Renegade
America refers both to the North and South American continents. When asked simply where one lives/is from, anyone from those continents and adjacent islands can say "America", and therefore claim to be an American. If asked what country one is from, a non-estadosunidenses can refer to the name of his/her country goes by - Canada, Argentina, Trinidad, Guatemala, what have you. Since the US lacks any other name than the United States of America, we don't really have anything else to call ourselves unless we go with "United Stateser" or some such, which we haven't as yet. Until such time, "American" is all we've got, which does not imply, except to the insecure or to the bigoted, that any other resident of the Western Hemisphere is not American. Although, if we follow the First Nation's example and rename the entire North-South American landmass Abya Yala, then only US citizens would be "American", and we could all embrace each other as "Abyayalan" brothers and sisters.
By the way, officially, Mexico is los Estados Unidos Mexicanos, the Mexican United States. If we Yanks become United Statesers, from the Spanish estadosunidenses, would we then be forced into inane arguments over whether an (US)American or a Mexican has more claim to the term United Statesers/estadosunidenses?
