Civ Specific...Wonders

[Talkie_Toaster]

God! Everyone knows the I is SO much more popular!

 

[sdLeo]

Well, I don't think we can separate the X and I from 9 o'clock guys, it's like separating the Big Ben and the HoP...

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

What's this guy on eh? X is part of 9 which is part of Big Ben which is part of the HoP which is part of London, which in on the Earth. Therefore my point is valid.

 

[LuKo]

So why in mods, SimCity 3000, picture of Enlightenment(?) Era in Rise of Nations, etc., etc. is just a Big Ben, without HoP?

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

The people who designed them were the MINIONS OF BEELZEBUB!

 

[sdLeo]

and the Earth is part of the Universe....

So, it shouldn't be the Big Ben but the Big Bang... Case closed.

So, who's gonna do the artwork fer dat?

 

[Mowque]

once again, can WE LET IT GO? i like this idea but this bickering is killing the idea..... sorry to be melodramtic

@Luko, thanks for taking a joke well

 

[Edungeon]

=p, so i was unable to find graphics for others Unique Wonders, so let's starting the discussion of all the one that i have ( the bold ones in my list ).

Maybe I can post a beta version.

 

[Phallus]

I personally would like to use the buildings in the back of the leaders' animation as the UW, if we can find some new general WWs.

This isn't really feasible for most civs, but you make a very good point for the Vikings. I've forgotten the name of the palace featured in Ragnar's portrait, but this is probably the best wonder for the Vikings.

So why in mods, SimCity 3000, picture of Enlightenment(?) Era in Rise of Nations, etc., etc. is just a Big Ben, without HoP?

For the exact same reason pictures of Notre Dame or the Eiffel Tower (or pretty much any famous structure) only show the top portion. On this very page you can see SdLeo's avatar doing the same thing. Just because parts of a building become iconic, it doesn't mean we scrap the rest of the building.

(and the spire could stand alone. Just fix it into the ground.)

 

[Wilhelm II]

Honestly the reason why I was proposing this is that I hate Hammurabi standing before the Hanging Gardens, that almost always are build in Beijing, Mao standing in front of the Forbidden Palace, that's anywere but not in China, Stalin in front of the Kremlin, Hatshepsut in front of the Pyramids, Mansa Musa in front of the University of Sankore (never have seen that in Mali!!!), Montezuma in front of the Chichen Itza, that's build long before the New World civs even spawn, Ghandi in front of the Taj Mahal, that's often build by a European civ - at least the Parthenon is often build by the Greeks, so Alexander (and sometimes Qin) is usually the only one standing in front of a building that is located in his country.

I know that several civs don't have a good backgound building (England, USA, Rome, Inca, Mongols), but it should not be that hard to find appropriate UWs for them. Hopefully.

Btw I think it should be the HoP, but Big Ben should suffice as graphics for that or has anyone ever complained that the Forbidden Palace is so inaccurately displayed?

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

Honestly the reason why I was proposing this is that I hate Hammurabi standing before the Hanging Gardens, that almost always are build in Beijing, Mao standing in front of the Forbidden Palace, that's anywere but not in China, Stalin in front of the Kremlin, Hatshepsut in front of the Pyramids, Mansa Musa in front of the University of Sankore (never have seen that in Mali!!!), Montezuma in front of the Chichen Itza, that's build long before the New World civs even spawn, Ghandi in front of the Taj Mahal, that's often build by a European civ - at least the Parthenon is often build by the Greeks, so Alexander (and sometimes Qin) is usually the only one standing in front of a building that is located in his country.

I know that several civs don't have a good backgound building (England, USA, Rome, Inca, Mongols), but it should not be that hard to find appropriate UWs for them. Hopefully.

Btw I think it should be the HoP, but Big Ben should suffice as graphics for that or has anyone ever complained that the Forbidden Palace is so inaccurately displayed?

I just pretend that we're meeting in the country the building's in .

I know that's not very plausible but hey

It's a bit of a problem when it's not been built or has been destroyed though...

 

[LuKo]

I prefer more flavoured wonders...

 

[Gaius Octavius]

Hi again, Talkie Toaster:

Apparently, we think very much alike. I've been working along these same lines since January (but mostly for national wonders, although I thought about great wonders, too).
See here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=199622
I also included the possibility of creating entirely new wonder types, but I think it would be best not to do that for now. The thread seems to have died out, unfortunately.

It wouldn't be too hard to get a comprehensive list, but what I'd really like, as you pointed out, would be to have specialized art as well.

I've done several tests with this system, and it does work, but there is one bug: for some reason, when I build a unique national wonder, the building itself does not appear in the 3D city view! I can't figure out why.

I'll try to see what I can come up with in the way of more names, as I'm all for more civ-specific content. It really adds to the flavor.

(P.S. I can see it now--major "emigration" fights over whose wonder the London Bridge should be: England, since it was originally built in London, or America, since it was moved to Lake Havasu. )

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

Hmm, if only RFC attracted good graphic artists

There are quite a few available as optional downloads, but not nearly enough to make a comprehensive set, I agree. I just got a book out of the library called "Buildings that Changed the World", so that should be quite useful ^_^

On an off-topic note, while I was there I found a book called "Great Britons", thought it might be useful for your Civ Specific GP modcomp.

 

[fearuin]

I find this idea very intersting, and you see to find some problems to choose a Spanish Wonder. Here are my comments:
-The Alhambra: it's a nice builduing, one of the nicest in the world. It's a good idea. Its only problem is not have been built by Spanish rulers, so it's off. I support the idea of including it as WW .
-Santiago de Compostela: it is not a building, it's city. The building it's the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela. A good idea, IMO. We may discuss later for its effect, but probably will give a lot of commerce (thanks to the Pilgrim's routes).
-El Escorial: it's no more than the common Palace. The capital of Spain was moved from Toledo to Madrid after building it. So, no way. And it's horribly ugly.
-Other ideas I have:
-Magellan's Trip: how could you forgotten this? Can't you remember older Civilization games? Ah, you heretics, burn in hell! It will be a commerce wonder, also.And for those arguing Magellan was Portuguese... Spanish paid the expedition, and Spanish was the captain that succeded Magellan.

I will continue this list later. Now I have to catch the bus!

 

[Edungeon]

England = Palace of Westminster
???

Spain = Magellan's Trip
???

France = Louvre
All Artist Specialist get a +1

Germany = Brandenburg Gate
???

Russia = Hermitage
+100% (?)

Vikings = King's Saga
+50% Production when building Naval Units

Rome = ???

Carthage = ???

Greece = Statue of Zeus
+50% Trade Commerce
+1 Happy with Ivory, Gold and Copper

Babylon = Ishtar Gate
-25 Maintenance in All cities

Persia = Mausoleum of Maussollos
Free Libraries in all cities ( maybe too overpower? )

Arabia = ???

Egypt = Shpinx
Can choose any Religion Civics

India = ???

China = Terracotta Army

Free Combat 1 Promotion in all units created in the city
Mongolia = ???

Japan = Tokyo Tower
(???)
America =
Broadway Same of the vanilla
The White House (???)

Inca = ???
Aztec = ???
*All Wonder in bold I have the graphics.

 

[Whitefire]

Russia = Hermitage
+100% (?)

Thats too weak.

Rome = ???

How about, The Roman Forum? Use the same art from the UB.

 

[Gaius Octavius]

This is what I was thinking for the national wonders:
(note that we may not be able to change Scotland Yard, as others have reported trouble with this)

America
Forbidden Palace--Independence Hall
Globe Theatre--Yankee Stadium OR Ford's Theater OR Ed Sullivan Theater
Heroic Epic--War Memorial
National Epic--Lincoln Memorial
Hermitage--Smithsonian Institute
Oxford University--Harvard University
Scotland Yard--Central Intelligence Agency
Palace--U.S. Capitol

England
Heroic Epic--Trafalgar Square
National Epic--Beowulf
Mt. Rushmore--Big Ben?
Wall Street--Adam Smith's Trading Company
Palace--Westminster Abbey/Parliament

France
Forbidden Palace--Palace of Vichy
Heroic Epic--Arc de Triomphe
National Epic--The Song of Roland
Hermitage--Louvre
Oxford University--Sorbonne
Scotland Yard--Interpol
West Point--Foreign Legion

Germany
Palace / Forbidden Palace--Reichstag
Heroic Epic--Battle of the Nations
National Epic--Nibelungenlied
Hermitage--JS Bach's Cathedral
Mt. Rushmore--Brandenburg Gate
Oxford University--Max Planck Institute OR Copernicus' Observatory
Wall Street--Hanseatic League

Rome
Forbidden Palace--Constantine's Palace (needs better name)
Globe Theatre--Theatre of Pompey
Heroic Epic--Triumphal Arch
National Epic--Virgil's Aeneid
Hermitage--The Pantheon
Mt. Rushmore--Trajan's Column OR Hadrian's Wall
Oxford University--Leonardo's Workshop
Wall Street--Imperial Forum (Trajan's Forum)
Palace--Senate (Curia)

Greece
Globe Theatre--Theatre of Dionysus
Heroic Epic--Marathon Epic / Herodotus' Histories
National Epic--Olympic Games
Hermitage--The Mausoleum
Mt. Rushmore--The Statue of Zeus
Oxford University--Plato's Academy
Wall Street--The Agora
West Point--Spartan Barracks
Palace--Senate

Egypt
Forbidden Palace--Temple of Karnak
National Epic--Story of Sinuhe
Hermitage--Mastaba

Russia
Heroic Epic--The Tale of Igor's Campaign
Mt. Rushmore--Red Square
Scotland Yard--KGB Headquarters
Apollo Program--Soyuz/Sputnik Program

Japan
Globe Theatre--Kabuki Theatre
Heroic Epic--Divine Wind
Oxford University--Imperial University
Scotland Yard--Den of Spies
Wall Street--Tokyo Stock Exchange
West Point--Naval Academy

China
National Epic--Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Mt. Rushmore--Underground Tomb (Terracotta Army)
West Point--Sun Tzu's War Academy

Aztec
Heroic Epic--Temple of the Sun
National Epic--Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan
Hermitage--Temple of the Moon
Scotland Yard--Palace of the Masks

Inca
National Epic--Ball Court
Mt. Rushmore--Sipan's Tomb
Palace--Palace of the Inca

Spain
Heroic Epic--Don Quixote
National Epic--Cantar de Mio Cid
Scotland Yard--Spanish Inquisition

Vikings
Heroic Epic--Norse Sagas
National Epic--Norse Eddas
Oxford University--Uraniborg

India
National Epic--The Five Great Epics
Oxford University--Nalanda University (or Indian Institute of Technology)

Epics for other civs: Epic of Manas, One Thousand and One Nights, Epic of Sundiata, Jangar, Mabinogion, Utendi wa Tambuka, The Epic of Kings, Samguk Yusa.

What say you?

 

[Edungeon]

In RFC these national wonders doesn't exist:

National Epic, Oxford University, Heroic Epic and Mt. Rushmore.

I agree with the others... but i think that this isn't very necessery =p i prefer new Unique Wonder than a change of graphics in the existing ones.

 

[Whitefire]

Agreed (hate to shoot down your idea!). Half of that list doesn't exist and the other half is just re-skins. I'd rather have new content added than existing prettied up.