Civ UU's

[Dirk_Diggler]

The American Minuteman doesn't really make sense, because they were only really used for the American Revolution if I'm not mistaken, and they were just militia who could arm themselves and fight on a minutes notice. They weren't professionals in anyway.

I personally think that an American "Army Ranger" UU would be better, since US Army Rangers are considered the best light infantry in the world, and have been around for a lot longer than the Minutemen.

I'm not going to post the stats because I'm not the best when it comes to balance, but I think they would have higher cost, higher strength, one extra movement and airdrop ability.

Tell me what you think, and maybe some other UU's that should be changed. I just felt like bringing this up.

 

[Louis XXIV]

They wanted to spread things out - not put all their eggs in one basket (i.e., the modern era). That being said, I would use Marines in that situation if you wanted a modern replacement.

I originally suggested making their UU Frontiersmen. Basically, the Daniel Boone type individuals with Springfield rifles who moved easily through the backwoods. They are more typical of American fighters for much of their history anyway (where conflicts were with Native Americans). Interestingly, after I posted a thread suggesting this, the unique ability of the Minutemen (treating all terrain equally, which is what I suggested) was revealed. Before this, the rumor was an entirely different Unique ability.

At the moment, I can't think of any gaping flaws with other UUs. American military history is closer to common knowledge, so it's easier to think of things. I would have loved it if the Russians had a T-34 tank, but I'm fine with their UB, so that's just wishful thinking. An argument could be made to give the Danes a Huscarl instead of a Berzerker but that would basically just be a name change. Some people might not like the Ski infantry, but I think they're a nice change of pace (plus, a reference to a Napoleonic era fighter, which is quite rare).

 

[Dirk_Diggler]

Marines are used by every nation while US army Rangers are unique (Hence UU) to America. but I do get your point.

A Russian T-34 would be very awesome, with their UT that gives them double resources they could have so many rolling off the line.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Actually, Marines are not used by every nation, they are usually combined as part of the Navy instead of something separate (and, even then, the idea of the Marines as an elite force, instead of just naval infantry is uncommon).

BTW, the Russian Unique Ability doesn't give them double all resources, just double horses and iron so they won't have extra Tanks. Double oil goes to the Arabs instead.

 

[That nerdy kid]

Actually, Marines are not used by every nation, they are usually combined as part of the Navy instead of something separate (and, even then, the idea of the Marines as an elite force, instead of just naval infantry is uncommon).

BTW, the Russian Unique Ability doesn't give them double all resources, just double horses and iron so they won't have extra Tanks. Double oil goes to the Arabs instead.

Meanwhile, Siberia has lots of Oil and not many horses.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Yeah, but it was discovered relatively recently. Historically, I'm sure the thought would be different.

 

[Dirk_Diggler]

I meant marines used by most World Powers.

 

[Louis XXIV]

My point regarding Marines as an elite unit still being different from just having a Naval Infantry stands.

 

[CYZ]

My point regarding Marines as an elite unit still being different from just having a Naval Infantry stands.

Even if it didn't

Egyp has the war chariot, India has the war elephant. Nobody is going to be able to argue other nations did not have those kind of forces as well. In fact, enough of them did. It's just that Egypt and India are known for it (because they used it first or used it most).

So that's enough reason to give America a more general unit, like the marine. Instead of something very specific, like the rangers.

 

[Dirk_Diggler]

Except that US rangers are considered the best light infantry in the world, whilst Marines are tough, but I wouldn't say the best in the world.

 

[CYZ]

Except that US rangers are considered the best light infantry in the world, whilst Marines are tough, but I wouldn't say the best in the world.

How does that adres what I stated?

I'm basicly saying: US Rangers are too specific

How does the fact they are considered the best in the world (if they are) have anything to do with that?


I'd go for a more generic unit. Civ5 does not have very few specific units, and when they do only when it's obviously clear that unit has played a huge role in their (millitary) history. Like the keshik. Even Germany didn't get a tiger tank or anything like that, they got the panzer, which is much more general.

 

[Windsor]

They got F15 in Civ3 and Navy SEAL in Civ4. The minuteman (which was frequently requested as a UU) finally gives them something unique that doesn't come at the very end of the game. I think it's a good UU to give them for both gameplay and tribute. That they only where used for a short(but important!) time shouldn't be hold against them. Professional soldiers or not, that also doesn't matter.

I find B17+Minuteman to be a solid choice of uniques for America, but there are certainly other valid options.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Also, the Minuteman fits their philosophy of giving them something for the whole game. Germany has an ancient UA and Medieval and Modern UUs. America has an ancient UA, Renaissance and Modern UUs.

I suggested the Frontiersman as an alternative to the Minuteman (it has more universal application as opposed to being limited to Boston), but I'm not seriously questioning the formula.

 

[King of Prussia]

I personally would like to see a few more UU per nation especially around when the civ was at its height. but this would likely complicate things.

 

[Catalonia]

But if we do that, every civ have a lot of UU more...

 

[That nerdy kid]

But if we do that, every civ have a lot of UU more...

Problem?