Civ V on iPad: If, when, how much?
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It is amazing to think that you can fit more computing power in the palm of your hand then existed in the entire world in 1950.
I don't think you'll see ciV on it though. It is too limited. Civ Rev will work fine though.
I don't think you'll see ciV on it though. It is too limited. Civ Rev will work fine though.
Danchops
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it seems to me that using ciV's ruleset with CivRev graphics might work though. Or maybe tht's just wishful thinking on my part; I'm on the fence regarding the iPad right now, but ciV would be enough to get me to buy one for sure.
The iPad is a scam. Not small enough to be handy to carry around, not large enough to use for extended periods of time.
Honestly, Civ has no place on it, and it can't even run flash. It's GPU is the equiv of 1\2 of a 360 or PS3 GPU, so good luck getting the game to run on anything but absolute minimum settings at 640x480. Rev will work fine on it, but Rev is hardly even a Civ game.
Honestly, Civ has no place on it, and it can't even run flash. It's GPU is the equiv of 1\2 of a 360 or PS3 GPU, so good luck getting the game to run on anything but absolute minimum settings at 640x480. Rev will work fine on it, but Rev is hardly even a Civ game.
riddleofsteel
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I highly doubt it will ever happen. I hope it doesn't.
It has 10 Hours battery life! and Lua runs on it
Chalks
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OH MY GOD for all those times that I am using a system for 10 hours with no access to a power supply...
aeroplane?
They might make a stripped down version for the iPad (during the second or third generation) optimized for speed
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Except for most (all?) long haul flights having sockets for charging laptops.
Passenger on a really long car journey where the cigarette lighter port is broken? Where's my chequebook...
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A technichian will have more specialised equipment than an iPad.
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Skyre Noktis
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Are you paid by Apple? Just wondering. You seem to be far too devoted to singing the iPad's praises (and glossing over its faults) to be a neutral party. You also said this:
First, most netbooks run Windows, so the iPad is completely incompatible with 99.9% of "netbook" programs. You can only run applications that have been ported to its proprietary operating system and which Apple allows to be sold in its app store (i.e. not Flash).civ_king said:
Second, I'm not sure what basis you're using for claiming it's the best e-reader ever. It has a backlit screen, for a start. That should automatically make it second tier at best.
Third, I'd question the utility of any internet-surfing device that doesn't let you multitask and doesn't run Flash. Any netbook out there would be far better for this.
The whole thing seems to be little more than a marketing exercise to me. The success of the iPod and iPhone has made Apple too cocky and now they think they can sell people any old crap.
Indeed, why do you think they removed the Camera, maybe because the Military has been fawning over Apple and if it had a Camera it couldn't be used?Surely there would be an app for that?
99.9% incompatible? So buying iWork through the App store is incompatible? does it matter how many you have if the ones you have are quality?
e-reader, it works better than a Kindle on Planes, Subways, Buses... and at home too... basically everywhere you would read a book except in the bright sunshine, the iPad is vastly superior night reading (backlight) which is when I typically read, though the Kindle wins in battery life
Remember they said the iPod and iPhone would flop?
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I have to hand it to you, I absolutely cannot tell whether you're kidding or not.
That's right kids, the lack of a camera is a FEATURE.
So is lack of flash support.
And a locked-in app store.
On a completely unrelated note, are you interested in buying this polished turd with an Apple logo on it?
Better by that all important judgement of "having an Apple logo on it" I'm guessing, since you completely refuse to quantify this any other way.
What, you mean anywhere outside during daylight hours?
What a crazy idea. Reading outside. Entirely bonkers. The world is going mad, I tell you.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/194623
couldn't find the more precise one
but anyway I wouldn't use the e-reader because I like the feel of books more (I love hard-backs)
also I have strong glasses so I'd sit in the shade instead
couldn't find the more precise one
but anyway I wouldn't use the e-reader because I like the feel of books more (I love hard-backs)
also I have strong glasses so I'd sit in the shade instead
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One application versus millions. Do you understand how percentages work?
If it means I can't do certain things because there's no application available, yes? But you were the one who suggested that compatibility with "most netbook programs" was a major selling point, so it's not up to me to provide justification for it.
Care to quantify this, as I said? Why is it better? Apple logo? Money in your bank account?
OK, agreed on this one, assuming the concept of reading with the light on is foreign to you. "The iPad is better for reading when I spend all night in a dark tunnel without a torch" is a very specific use case that is unlikely to be of concern to the majority of the buying public.
A past history of success does not imply that each and every product that company creates will be successful. Besides, Apple has created duds before.
Like the Newton?
Danchops
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I'm still on the fence about an iPad, but I think the knee-jerk crapping on the thing in this thread is a bit excessive.
Seems to me like it would slip into my shoulder bag just fine. It also seems like it would be much more convenient of a form-factor than a netbook for use in cramped confines like an airplane or the metro.
No argument from me that it's GPU capacity doesn't stack up with a dedicated gaming machine that lives in your TV room. But, it seems to me that, while nice to have, pretty 3D graphics aren't vital to playing an enjoying a turn-based strategy game. Like I said before, give me CivRev level graphics with a more involved rules set (such as that for ciV) on the iPad, and I would buy one tomorrow.
While I clearly can't speak for civ_king, you seem to have missed his point. What I understood him to mean is that the iPad can duplicate most of the functionality of netbook applications. (At least, I hope he didn't mean that you could actually install progams you purchased for your netbook on the iPad. That would clearly be inaccurate.) To an extent, that seems to be true - I don't own a netbook, but my buddies that do use it mostly for web browsing, chatting, and posting ungodly amounts of information on twitter. From what I can tell, the iPad is perfectly capable at doing all three of those things (although, granted, not all at once-I'll mention that in a minute.) I expect that those applications that have been (or probably shortly will be) ported to its proprietary operating system and which Applie allows to be sold in its app store will fill most main-stream usage needs, and quite a few niche needs as well.
Also, a word about flash. I have encountered flash in four main scenarios around the web: 1- video, 2- games, 3- crappy websites built entirely in flash (usually restaurants), and 4- annoying ads that drive me nuts. I'm not going to miss 3 or 4 at all. I personally don't play any games in flash, so I won't miss that one either, although I can certainly understand that being a major negative point for the iPad for someone who does play flash games regularly. My major sources of flash video are YouTube, ABC.com, and Hulu.com. Of the three, two are already usable on the iPad through apps, and Hulu is widely expected to come out with an iPad app soon as well. So, for me, flash is not a big deal. In fact, since it gets rid of those super annoying ads that fill up half the screen, play obnoxious music, and hog my system's resources, the lack of flash is a net positive for me.
If I buy an iPad, I will use it mostly as an e-reader. Sure, I'll also watch quite a bit of video and play games on it. In fact, its ability to be more than an e-reader is one of the things that makes the iPad attractive to me as an e-reader over a dedicated device like the Kindle or the Nook. However, looking at it solely as an e-reader, it has a number of features that, IMO, make it superior to e-ink based alternatives. First, it's back-lit. That means that I can read it in the darkened interior of an airplane (where I do much of my reading) without trying to contort my body so that the device is within the path of the crappy light that can't seem to shine where it needs to. Second, the full-color screen and video capabilities opens the door to much richer content. Have you seen the screenshots and video for the Elements app? I love to read history books, and I would gladly pay a premium for a book that incorporated even a fraction of the rich content that book packs in.
You didn't say what about a back-lit screen should automatically relegate the i-Pad to second-tier status. I assume you're concerned about eye-strain. I completely understand that is a real issue for many people, but it simple is not an issue for me. In the last month, I have read The Count of Monte Cristo, Shogun, and Dracula on my iPod touch. I regularly read on my iPod for several hours at a time. I have not experienced any issues with eye-strain. Much like the lack of flash, this is something that, while a legitimate issue for some, is simply not a problem for me.
The lack of multi-tasking for third-party apps is a serious issue for me. I'd like to be able to chat, twitter, and listen to pandora all at once. Indeed, this (and the lack of a web cam) are the faults that are keeping me from buying one right now. However, as I consider the reality of when I would use this (mostly when I'm on the road - which is frequently for me - in areas without either Wi-Fi or 3G covereage) those faults probably wouldn't come into play most of the time that I would use it.
Again, this is all just my perspective. I'm a bit of a corner case in that I spend several hours every other week or so on the road, either in a plane or in the back seat of a car. I often go through two or even three novels on one of these trips. The history books I read at home are simply too heavy to carry around. The ability to ditch all of those for a single 1.5 pound device that will also let me watch movies and TV shows, play games, and have a nice photo frame to have pictures of my wife and kid in the hotel room while I'm away? The more I think about it, the more that is worth $500 to me. Granted, a netbook would do those things as well, but I just don't like the things. The ones I've played around with are slow, feel more cramped than my iPod (obviously, they aren't really more cramped, but they feel it) and are always having stability issues. Besides, they aren't exactly a convenient form factor for reading books.
Seems to me like it would slip into my shoulder bag just fine. It also seems like it would be much more convenient of a form-factor than a netbook for use in cramped confines like an airplane or the metro.
No argument from me that it's GPU capacity doesn't stack up with a dedicated gaming machine that lives in your TV room. But, it seems to me that, while nice to have, pretty 3D graphics aren't vital to playing an enjoying a turn-based strategy game. Like I said before, give me CivRev level graphics with a more involved rules set (such as that for ciV) on the iPad, and I would buy one tomorrow.
While I clearly can't speak for civ_king, you seem to have missed his point. What I understood him to mean is that the iPad can duplicate most of the functionality of netbook applications. (At least, I hope he didn't mean that you could actually install progams you purchased for your netbook on the iPad. That would clearly be inaccurate.) To an extent, that seems to be true - I don't own a netbook, but my buddies that do use it mostly for web browsing, chatting, and posting ungodly amounts of information on twitter. From what I can tell, the iPad is perfectly capable at doing all three of those things (although, granted, not all at once-I'll mention that in a minute.) I expect that those applications that have been (or probably shortly will be) ported to its proprietary operating system and which Applie allows to be sold in its app store will fill most main-stream usage needs, and quite a few niche needs as well.
Also, a word about flash. I have encountered flash in four main scenarios around the web: 1- video, 2- games, 3- crappy websites built entirely in flash (usually restaurants), and 4- annoying ads that drive me nuts. I'm not going to miss 3 or 4 at all. I personally don't play any games in flash, so I won't miss that one either, although I can certainly understand that being a major negative point for the iPad for someone who does play flash games regularly. My major sources of flash video are YouTube, ABC.com, and Hulu.com. Of the three, two are already usable on the iPad through apps, and Hulu is widely expected to come out with an iPad app soon as well. So, for me, flash is not a big deal. In fact, since it gets rid of those super annoying ads that fill up half the screen, play obnoxious music, and hog my system's resources, the lack of flash is a net positive for me.
If I buy an iPad, I will use it mostly as an e-reader. Sure, I'll also watch quite a bit of video and play games on it. In fact, its ability to be more than an e-reader is one of the things that makes the iPad attractive to me as an e-reader over a dedicated device like the Kindle or the Nook. However, looking at it solely as an e-reader, it has a number of features that, IMO, make it superior to e-ink based alternatives. First, it's back-lit. That means that I can read it in the darkened interior of an airplane (where I do much of my reading) without trying to contort my body so that the device is within the path of the crappy light that can't seem to shine where it needs to. Second, the full-color screen and video capabilities opens the door to much richer content. Have you seen the screenshots and video for the Elements app? I love to read history books, and I would gladly pay a premium for a book that incorporated even a fraction of the rich content that book packs in.
You didn't say what about a back-lit screen should automatically relegate the i-Pad to second-tier status. I assume you're concerned about eye-strain. I completely understand that is a real issue for many people, but it simple is not an issue for me. In the last month, I have read The Count of Monte Cristo, Shogun, and Dracula on my iPod touch. I regularly read on my iPod for several hours at a time. I have not experienced any issues with eye-strain. Much like the lack of flash, this is something that, while a legitimate issue for some, is simply not a problem for me.
The lack of multi-tasking for third-party apps is a serious issue for me. I'd like to be able to chat, twitter, and listen to pandora all at once. Indeed, this (and the lack of a web cam) are the faults that are keeping me from buying one right now. However, as I consider the reality of when I would use this (mostly when I'm on the road - which is frequently for me - in areas without either Wi-Fi or 3G covereage) those faults probably wouldn't come into play most of the time that I would use it.
Again, this is all just my perspective. I'm a bit of a corner case in that I spend several hours every other week or so on the road, either in a plane or in the back seat of a car. I often go through two or even three novels on one of these trips. The history books I read at home are simply too heavy to carry around. The ability to ditch all of those for a single 1.5 pound device that will also let me watch movies and TV shows, play games, and have a nice photo frame to have pictures of my wife and kid in the hotel room while I'm away? The more I think about it, the more that is worth $500 to me. Granted, a netbook would do those things as well, but I just don't like the things. The ones I've played around with are slow, feel more cramped than my iPod (obviously, they aren't really more cramped, but they feel it) and are always having stability issues. Besides, they aren't exactly a convenient form factor for reading books.
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