Civ2 GOTM #15 Results

[Lucky]

They are finally here:
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The results for Civ2 GOTM #15 are now posted. We received 34 submissions, which is about the same number as Civ2 GOTM #14. Here are the winners:
Gold Medal: Smash
Silver Medal: sulla
Bronze Medal: golem
Fastest Finish: Lucky
Highest Score: Dean Wright

Congrats to these winners! The submitted saved games are available for download in the archive.
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Smash´s tactic sure works!
Now I finally have my green star!

P.S.: Matrix, you still have it wrong in the HoF. I have 2 blue and now 1 green star!

 

[donsig]

The more people stop playing Civ 2 the higher I go in the Global Ranking!

Darn that williamvanorange - he's played 11 GOTMs and I've only played 10!

Here's some trivia: williamnavorange joined Civfantics the same day as Magaha Firaxis joined - and that happened to be my 40th birthday! It's a sign I tell ya!

 

[dtziouf]

I can't find my name in this month's gotm results...although I have sent my submission 20 days before the deadline!

I have resend it 2 minutes ago,so update the results.

 

[dtziouf]

Please

 

[noughmaster]

Bah! Just don't seem to be able to crack the top 3.
Congrats to the medal winners (and everyone else who feels they played well)!

It's interesting to experiment with the optimum starting strategy, especially on a small map when you can win quickly by conquest. I think this is a problem which can be sloved ie. there are a couple of strategies which are far superior to all the others. Smash seems to have found one.

BTW, for an AD1 finish on a small map, a score of 232 -> GOTM score = 300.
A score of 413 -> GOTM score = 400.

How many wonders do you think it's possible to build in the first 100 turns? (5 or 6 maybe) How quickly can you get trade? Should you get it even before monarchy? I generally start on the Colossus and / or Pyramids and convert one of them to Marco Polo's so I can become the science broker.

To score 413, you'd need about 200 citizens. It's not too hard to have 25 cities by AD1, but average size 8? I think this would be quite hard.

I think a GOTM score of 400 by AD1 on a small world is a real benchmark of a very good start. It would be interesting to replay some recent GOTM games and see if it's achievable in a systematic way. Anyone interested in a thread on this topic?

 

[Smash]

Wow...I can't believe I even medaled let alone gold.


Yes 400 by 1ad is doable.I don't know about systematically though.The key is to forget about science once you have the needed units for conquest.Devote taxes to gold and luxuries only.Switch to Republic after Michs and also switch tactics to bribing.Only a handful of units are needed for capitols.Celebrate your cities to size 8 then grab the last city.

 

[Thunderfall]

Originally posted by dtziouf
Please

Matrix is visiting Norway and will be back on Tuesday.

 

[ferenginar]

I don't believe my game is not included again, now I am really , it was a really good game too.

ferenginar

 

[el_kalkylus]

Congratulations to all.

Lucky is lucky as usual (of course with skill).

 

[Lucky]

Of course!

I simply copied Smash´s tactic from the previous GOTM and it worked just fine.
Finally got my green medal!
Now I have to work on some Gold style games to keep up with Smash!

 

[willemvanoranje]

Originally posted by Lucky
Of course!

I simply copied Smash´s tactic from the previous GOTM and it worked just fine.
Finally got my green medal!
Now I have to work on some Gold style games to keep up with Smash!

mrmgrgm....I wanted that green one....

Ah well.....maybe in June's GotM...

 

[shadowdale]

Congrats to everybody, but especially to smash - my man. Your on the top of the world now :-D



Edit: Typoes

 

[Smash]

..only cuz you choose not to play.And I am 2nd in GR for what its worth.

Get your nose out of the books,bottles and .play a gotm for old time's sake

 

[shadowdale]

Well if I am to start playing GotM again I will probably try out Civ3 - but I will have to learn the game first! But since I will finish my second semester exams in just 1½ month, I might try the Civ3 GotM soon, even if I have yet to try a single game of Civ3.

Besides the Civ2 GotM rules have probably changed so much that I will have no idea what to play for nor how to get a good score anymore! ;-)

 

[el_kalkylus]

I got an idea! Why don't you look at the rules and see how much they have changed?

Personally, I think shadowdale was a big cheater when he played. Don't flame me, it's just a personal opinion of him.

 

[Lucky]

Do you have any proof or hints of proof for your "theory"???
I consider it greatly unfair if discriminating someone just because of a personal opinion!
Don´t understand this as a flame, I´m just wondering what made you say this. What did you see in Shadowdale´s games that others could not?

I viewed most of his savegames and found them a great experience to improve my own gameplay, which has worked quite well, if I might say so.

Or are all highscorers like Shadowdale, Starlifter, Smash and me cheaters for you? Simply because you cannot reproduce the results?

If you have specific or even just a hint of prood, show it, I´m really interested.

 

[el_kalkylus]

Well... I had been looking alot at his games before, and then replaying the games the way he seemed to have played it, and I came to the conclusion that he was very lucky everytime. He got everything he wanted from huts, he conquered continents with only one horsemen/chariot/elephant, etc. It was like this about every game.

But his tactics are good with trading, city sprawling, scouting etc. I learned alot from that too, even though I still don't understand how he can keep the cities undefended. I tried that, and I had to pay a great deal of money to barbarians popping up everywhere.

I believe most people playing now aren't cheating, but it's still pretty suspicious sometimes in some games, for example in your games, Lucky.

No, I am not jealous. I don't put that much effort in my games, and often I make alot of mistakes, so I don't deserve to win those games. I just think that, if you don't reload, you should have unexpected losses.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by el_kalkylus
I believe most people playing now aren't cheating, but it's still pretty suspicious sometimes in some games, for example in your games, Lucky.

Want to share a little more exact information of what is suspicious in my games? Maybe I could tell you how or what happened in specific circumstances!

 

[shadowdale]

LOL@ el_kalkylus

I must admite that I couldn't care less what you think of me!

but since you seem to ahve some doubts about how I played I might tell you a bit about some of the things that most people never did:

Originally posted by el_kalkylus
Well... I had been looking alot at his games before, and then replaying the games the way he seemed to have played it, and I came to the conclusion that he was very lucky everytime. He got everything he wanted from huts, he conquered continents with only one horsemen/chariot/elephant, etc. It was like this about every game.

Since I almost always bought my way through other civ's I doubt that very much, I usually bought their cities and bought their unites. the unites were then used to conquer the last of the cities and the disbaned to speed production in the new aquired cities

But his tactics are good with trading, city sprawling, scouting etc. I learned alot from that too, even though I still don't understand how he can keep the cities undefended. I tried that, and I had to pay a great deal of money to barbarians popping up everywhere.

This was probably the one thing that made me stand apart from other players the fact that I almost never had def. unites in my cities. Well I did lose cities, lots of them in fact - but that was usually later in the game and with only 2-3 saves per game the probablity of it ever showing on the save is rather small. But I always bought the cities back within 1-2 turns - and normally they didn't get my cities because I would rush buy a diplo ASAP when barbs came and buy the barb unites to defeat the other barb unites.

And about huts - I'll give you a hint: if a hut is within the city radius it NEVER EVER gives barbarians - which is to say that I would do the normal initial exploration, but after that I would usually wait with a hut until it was within a city radius to prevent barbarians from swarming my land - and as you might have noticed yourself, barbarian uprises ONLY come if you have a "large" amount of land unbuild (no cities nearby) so if you cram your cities together you significantly reduce the chance of barbarians every rising.

And that was my two cents for you.

BTW the primary reason I did so well score wise, was because I had Stormerne to analyze the scoring formula each time it was updated and giving me advice on whether it was in favour of high score games or fast win games. And Matrix Excel sheet was without doubt also one of the things that made me "know" the scoring system so well that I would know what kind of game to play!!!

HAve fun - exams are just around the corner!!

 

[el_kalkylus]

Ok, thanks for the tips Shadowdale. I should have thought about you dispanding your units for production. They were pretty amazing games. When I replayed some of your games, I noticed that you had cities on the same spots there were huts, so you always got one helluva start. You didn't build your cities beside those huts then, right? Ok, so you took some chances in the beginning, and it worked, ok. It just seemed so...lucky! Aww, well, I guess I am just jealous of all this luck here on gotm.

Hope noone has hard feelings. And thanks for the flaming.