Civ3 is one big bore

[Charles]

Originally posted by Bob Hitchen
'Well...since this thread is going NO WHERE fast...why doesn't it get closed? Or perhaps, why doesn't a moderator move the thread to an appropriate place instead? I had a thread closed willy-nilly instead of conveniently moved. Just a thought...'

Interesting that you would like the thread closed why is that?
Its under the correct forum and allows people to express valid opinions about civ3. If you like I could post 10 different reasons why I don't like the game especially after civ2 but I haven't seen much from the positive side in the comments. Stop whinging is hardly likely to enhance customer satisfaction nor give Infogrammes and Firaxis feedback which they should be looking at. They made the design decisions; they decided to hide everything in the exe file to prevent clones (at the expense of patching!!); they decided to remove the replayability and flexibility in civ2; they don't want a long lived product but something they could rush out for Christmas shopping and make a quick 50 dollars a copy on ( result is a product full of bugs) then have an expansion pack etc. etc. etc.

There have been several questions asked specifically about the editor (mine just hangs on entry yes and I did remove the game reinstalled and applied the second version of the patch downloaded: Only way out is CTL ALT DEL a few times although I did get into it once on the old version but found it doesn't do saved games). I only want an editor to modify corruption settings so I can have a proper game on a huge map.
It would be nice to develop my own civilisation but English will do
but it irritates me when I put in a male name and king and still get called Lady.

It is unfortunately a modern trend where marketeers make all the decisions based on ripping off the gaming public. The want a tightly controlled game with an expensive strategy guide (sooner develop my own thanks all the same) expansion packs and add ons all with reduced costs in programming design and audit. I suspect these guys have never played a game hence they don't have a value on playability. Judging by the scores given by computer gaming magazines I suspect that they are probably owned or getting bungs from the distributors so I no longer buy them: There are other sources on the web which give far more accurate assessments from gamers themselves. I'm not against
companies making money especially when they provide something worth having then we would be glued to the games not stuck with them.

If people want to debate merits of games like adults then any forum has to welcome both positve and negative feedback. The negative is more valuable if valid since that should lead to improvement.

Again.. well spoken Bob! I agree with Bob, the "negative" issues will help us "FIX" the game, and "IMPROVE" it. Not wreck it people! C'mon give people a chance to talk about what is wrong with Civ3 so we can do exactly that. Fix it!

Charles.

 

[narmox]

Originally posted by Charles


Well I guess you didn't read the "forum title" when you came in here. This forum (again, I assume) was designed to discuss what is "wrong" with Civ3, not what is "right" with it. No one's forcing your face up against the monitor and telling you to READ. I beleive this forum title is called:

" Civ3 is one big bore "

Can someone please explain this to "narmox" ?

Charles.

Of course, you're posting in nearly every thread telling everyone that the game isn't worth it and all... I don't see this just as constructive criticism but as outright hatred of the game.

You seemed to have calmed down recently so I'll give you the benifit of the doubt.

 

[Charles]

Originally posted by cutiestar
facts ??

hhmn Charles me thinks you need to think a little deeper, i have made no comments that require facts, but you yourself are posting numbers, therefore facts, can you show me where you get this figure of thousands of displeased civ III players?

Okay, I was wrong about that. I can't prove thousands. But I can however prove hundreds though, give me an endorsed email, and I would be happy to fill it with "quotes". Otherwise what else can we do, accept disagree? I won't change my mind, I've played the damn game.

As for the game, well yes I like it, yes it has problems, but I am not so stressed, or uptight, that it affects me at all, i still enjoy the game.

Well thats good for you, I'm happy for you. It's pleasing to see that someone can enjoy thier purchases. But, does that mean the rest of us HAVE to like it, and cannot discuss our issues?

I honestly feel a little sad for people who can't buy a game and be happy it is good, without expecting it to be perfect, If CIV III had everything in it that i read about on these forums, then it would be the end of all game improvements, there will never be a better game produced, in 10 years they still will not enhance the quality.

As you should feel sad, I feel sad too, I paid $50 Can. for it! I've been with Sid Meier since Civ1. And its the only strategy turn based game I play. I'm a veteran now. But you make an interesting point, how bad would it be if the game was "perfect"? I don't see the "strive for perfection" as a bad crusade. I see it as a worthy one. And this game has too many imperfections for me.

For the year 2001, CIV III is a top class game, it gets high ratings with all the respected games reviewers, it would rank in the top 5 all time of it's genre, so as much as the more uptight types may want to unconstructively complain, it has more to do with their mind and personalities, than to do with the game. [/B]

Oh I see, talk about "FACTS" here, how the heck do you know that these review sites and ratings are realistic, or even true? I'm sorry thats only your opinion. Not a fact. And I NEVER take any review prior to playing the game for myself, seriously. And I most certainly hope you dont. But that still doesn't change anything, even if these reviews and ratings are based on realistic views on the game, thats only THEIR opinion, and it won't falter the fact that there are many pissed off fans.

You never even asked me "why" I'm uspet with Civ3, you just insulted me, and criticised me. Is that what your trying to do? Otherwise "me thinks" you make no sense.

Charles.

 

[Charles]

Originally posted by Sam_Catchem


Aslan,

That is the biggest flaw of the game.

One of them. Want a list of more?
Charles.

 

[Charles]

Originally posted by narmox


Of course, you're posting in nearly every thread telling everyone that the game isn't worth it and all... I don't see this just as constructive criticism but as outright hatred of the game.

You seemed to have calmed down recently so I'll give you the benifit of the doubt.

Well I do appologize for the "many threads" of negativity. It is not my intention to become "Civ3 public enemy #1" and if people are already viewing me that way, than I feel sorry for them. The fact is, I'm being mis-understood. I dont hate the game, I love the game, thats why I'm so "let-down". Thats why I'm so devoted to trying to not only fix these issues (somehow) but get Firaxis to hear what I have to say. And many others agree with me. There is a "movement" of a somewhat negative crowd. You've probably seen it, but I assure you Narm, it's only people trying to get their points across, and deal with what is "wrong" with Civ3. And the reason why this crowd is getting "vicious" is because they keep getting "cut-off" like in a conversation. And they go un-heard. Its better to let these people discuss/vent these issues. Instead of telling them to shut-up, you should try and help them. I hope you understand me a little better.

Final thought:
Don't get offended, I'm not trying to "ruin" the game. I'm trying to improve it.

Charles.

 

[narmox]

Originally posted by Charles
Well I do appologize for the "many threads" of negativity. It is not my intention to become "Civ3 public enemy #1" and if people are already viewing me that way, than I feel sorry for them. The fact is, I'm being mis-understood. I dont hate the game, I love the game, thats why I'm so "let-down". Thats why I'm so devoted to trying to not only fix these issues (somehow) but get Firaxis to hear what I have to say. And many others agree with me. There is a "movement" of a somewhat negative crowd. You've probably seen it, but I assure you Narm, it's only people trying to get their points across, and deal with what is "wrong" with Civ3. And the reason why this crowd is getting "vicious" is because they keep getting "cut-off" like in a conversation. And they go un-heard. Its better to let these people discuss/vent these issues. Instead of telling them to shut-up, you should try and help them. I hope you understand me a little better.
Final thought:
Don't get offended, I'm not trying to "ruin" the game. I'm trying to improve it.

That's all good and well to want to improve the game, but, a few things:

"Civ3 is one big bore" and other negative things is sure to attract vicious reactions from people who like the game.

Telling people who like the game to shut up is sure to attract vicious reactions, just like telling people who don't like the game to shut up is. And telling people who tell you to to shut up cause you told them to shut up in the first place (and so on) continues the vicious cycle.

You want to discuss here what you don't like about the game, but allow too for people who like to game to refute your points. That's what a discussion/argumentation is, that's how ideas evolve, etc..

(As for what people don't like, somethimes it angers some of us because it's (sometimes) things that are clearly explained in the manual or the civiliopedia, and the person doesn't like it because he hasn't read or doesn't understand yet the concept and complains before exploring what it offers. Yet another cause for all the arguments going on in these forusm.)

Cheers,
Narmox.

 

[Sam_Catchem]

Narmox,

Word.

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

Moderator Action: Everyone is welcome to voice their opinion, whether for, or against, and it's NONE of anyone elses business to tell them otherwise. That said, this has degenerated to the point to where it is simply another 'Stop whining/whine all you like' fest, and has nothing to do with the game itself, so consider the subject(s) closed.
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