Civ4 shows liberal bias?

[jar2574]

Reagan raised taxes. Stupid liberal.

Re: Mount Rushmore. Fascism started the world's greatest war. So it got a wonder that reduces war weariness. They obviously couldn't make it a Nazi wonder. So they picked an Allied one. What a conspiracy!

Must be tough to be a conservative these days. What with the presidency, the Court, and Congress. But that's not enough. Video game developers must be brought in line.

 

[Duuk]

I don't know exactly where the term "liberal" came to have its current meaning among many members of the US. Did anyone see the debate between Smitts and Alda on the West Wing a few weeks ago? Smitts was right: liberals ended slavery, pushed through the Civil Rights movement, and brought the country out of a depression. Why would being a liberal be a bad thing?

Cough. Republicans did those things. Well, except for ending the Great Depression. Emperor Hirohito did that for us.

But this entire thread is off topic.

Except, of course, for the fact that I am a hardcore Republican and even I think Dan Quayle deserves everything he gets. The man is eminently quotable

 

[Duuk]

Must be tough to be a conservative these days. What with the presidency, the Court, and Congress. But that's not enough. Video game developers must be brought in line.

Perhaps if liberals quit thinking they were 100% right and that Conservatives are evil they'd have a better chance to win over the moderate conservatives and win elections again?

 

[sirnate]

I don't know why a liberal (socialist) Would even play this game.
I mean you can't BAN guns... The game would be no fun like that...
Oh I guess you try and make a Global Socialist Government Run by the UN, what fun.

Liberals in the US are Marxist, If you don't Believe it then read the Communist Manifesto. Everything Marx Instructed to turn a country Socialist is part of Democratic Platform.

Sure there are tons of republicans who are just as liberal, but REAL conservatives (the People not the politicans) want government to be limited to it's Constitutional Limits. Since power corrupts it will never happen.

I would think that people playing this game would know something about history. I don't think any of you have ANY idea whats in the Communist Manifesto and IF YOU DO, You like it!
Why didn't you Europeans just join the USSR in the cold war? Communist, Socialist DO you even know the difference?

Maybe Liberals like this game because it allows them to re-write History.

American Patriotism is Facism? Most Patriots I know just want the Government to it's Consititutional Limits (which means the military Protecting
the Borders, not being global policeman). The ONLY Consititution that states rights are given to you by GOD not the Government!

Your So busy Fighting against God and the US Consititution that you don't even realize it's your last hope. As soon as it's out of the way, Considering that Absolute Power Currupts Absolutly, and all the power that your willing to give to larger and Larger Enity's (EU, UN). What are they going to do with that power? It is inevitable, Global Control.

No matter what the outcome is the same. Whether The Globalist at the UN control the World, The EU, Or George Bush.... It's all the same. The ultimate Outcome (don't you know from playing this game) Is Planitary Destruction, or Global Slavery. the best way to enslave people is make them think they are free.

 

[CornMaster]

I'm going to be burned for this one I'm sure.

Universities have more left leaning and liberal people because most people in university are half smart. And can see that capitalism and unequality are bad.

Those outside are not, and are sheep who will follow whatever some dumbass leader promises them.


Now..I'm not saying everyone it university is right, or that you can't get smart or come to good ideas outside of university (or college) because I had most of my beliefs before I went to university. But three years of political science and philosophy study have cemented them.

Last I checked, Civ 4 was not a real world simulator either, so take it all with a grain of salt and have fun.

 

[Thalassicus]

I don't know exactly where the term "liberal" came to have its current meaning among many members of the US. Did anyone see the debate between Smitts and Alda on the West Wing a few weeks ago? Smitts was right: liberals ended slavery, pushed through the Civil Rights movement, and brought the country out of a depression. Why would being a liberal be a bad thing?

Cough. Republicans did those things. Well, except for ending the Great Depression. Emperor Hirohito did that for us.

But this entire thread is off topic.

Exactly! Why is being liberal considered a bad thing? What ever happened to "liberal" republicans and democrats both?

And I agree regarding the off-topic-ness of this thread, although it's bound to come up in a game like this

 

[sirnate]

How did Liberals end Slavery? Lincoln was a Republican! The Republican after him was going to give the slaves 40 acres and a mule until the LIBERALS Voted against it.
The US enters WW1 during 2 consective Liberal Presidential Terms
the US enters WW2 During 2 consective Liberal Presidential Terms
The US enters Korea During 2 consective Liberal Presidential Terms
The US enters Vietnam Duing 2 consective Liberal Presidential Terms

Only happened one other Time in the past 100 Years... Clinton
I guess Bin Laden was Just a Little to slow... It clear that Clinton allowed plenty of time to prepare his attack. After all Clinton Couldn't be found when we had Bin Laden Cornered. We would have taken him out but Clinton was playing will Monica.

 

[Indiemonkey]

You can't really just change the term liberal to mean socialist - how would you react if I said Conservative (nationalist)? liberals aren't necessarily socialist. and as far as I can see the aspects of socialism prevalent in European societies (i.e. the welfare state and free healthcare) seem pretty good ideas. Oh - and I think most people like the game because it allows them to re-write history... I think that's kind of meant to be part of the appeal of the game :s. there's a difference between reasoned debate - which is what everyone else had been doing up until now - and just shouting out a load of conspiracy theories and abusing other countries without any reason for it - care to elaborate on your "I don't see why the europeans didn't just join the USSR in the cold war" comment?

*edit* saw your other post and felt I should respond as well
Oh - and while what you say about rhe republicans abolishing slavery is true - you can't really deny that the viewpoint has changed greatly over the past near-150 years. With regard to the Bin Laden comments - wasn't it while Reagan was in power that the CIA was happily providing him and the Mujahedin in Afghanistan funds and weapons to fight the Soviets? and your argument about differentiating between politicians and people who hold a view point is kind of contradictory when in your next post you go on to attribute the majority of the U.S.'s land wars to Liberal presidents but seem in your preface to suggest that all liberals in america were suddenly like "yeah! war seems fun, lets do that". and I notice you forget to mention Grenada, Iraq 1, Afghanistan, Iraq 2...

 

[Thalassicus]

How did Liberals end Slavery? Lincoln was a Republican!

Exactly! Liberalism is the desire for change, and hesitancy to follow the status quo. Lincoln was liberal, as was the Republican party at the time, and most of the major presidents that history remembers

After all, it's hard to be remembered if you just keep things going the way they've always been.

 

[jar2574]

Perhaps if liberals quit thinking they were 100% right and that Conservatives are evil they'd have a better chance to win over the moderate conservatives and win elections again?

Which liberal thinks he is 100% right? Which one thinks that conservatives are evil? I am a liberal. I do not think I am always correct. I do not think that most conservatives are evil.

Is it not just as easy to say that conservatives think they are 100% right and think that liberals are evil?

Quite silly statements, those.

 

[Sorceresss]

Quite silly statements, those.

That doesn't help to fuel a "civilized" debate.

 

[jar2574]

Cough. Republicans did those things.

Cough.

LBJ and a Democratically controlled Congress passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1968.

 

[Thalassicus]

That's the thing... Lincoln was liberal, as was LBJ or FDR. Liberalism hasn't always had the association liberal = communist. I wonder where that association originated? It'd be an interesting bit of history...

 

[Sorceresss]

This thread is degenerating into a very partisan debate about American politics.

Personally, I do not mind...but I wonder how much more time this thread will survive.

It is Sunday morning : perhaps the Mods are still asleep (no disrespect intended).

 

[Proper Gander]

I don't know why a liberal (socialist) Would even play this game.
I mean you can't BAN guns... The game would be no fun like that...
Oh I guess you try and make a Global Socialist Government Run by the UN, what fun.

Liberals in the US are Marxist, If you don't Believe it then read the Communist Manifesto. Everything Marx Instructed to turn a country Socialist is part of Democratic Platform.

Sure there are tons of republicans who are just as liberal, but REAL conservatives (the People not the politicans) want government to be limited to it's Constitutional Limits. Since power corrupts it will never happen.

I would think that people playing this game would know something about history. I don't think any of you have ANY idea whats in the Communist Manifesto and IF YOU DO, You like it!
Why didn't you Europeans just join the USSR in the cold war? Communist, Socialist DO you even know the difference?

Maybe Liberals like this game because it allows them to re-write History.

American Patriotism is Facism? Most Patriots I know just want the Government to it's Consititutional Limits (which means the military Protecting
the Borders, not being global policeman). The ONLY Consititution that states rights are given to you by GOD not the Government!

Your So busy Fighting against God and the US Consititution that you don't even realize it's your last hope. As soon as it's out of the way, Considering that Absolute Power Currupts Absolutly, and all the power that your willing to give to larger and Larger Enity's (EU, UN). What are they going to do with that power? It is inevitable, Global Control.

No matter what the outcome is the same. Whether The Globalist at the UN control the World, The EU, Or George Bush.... It's all the same. The ultimate Outcome (don't you know from playing this game) Is Planitary Destruction, or Global Slavery. the best way to enslave people is make them think they are free.

thank you for sharing your wisdom with us.

*sigh*

Is it not just as easy to say that conservatives think they are 100% right and think that liberals are evil?

no no, conservatives think they are 100% right and think that liberals are treehuggers.

 

[sirnate]

You can't really just change the term liberal to mean socialist - how would you react if I said Conservative (nationalist)? liberals aren't necessarily socialist. and as far as I can see the aspects of socialism prevalent in European societies (i.e. the welfare state and free healthcare) seem pretty good ideas. care to elaborate on your "I don't see why the europeans didn't just join the USSR in the cold war" comment?

See You admit it, You think Marx's Ideas are good. "free Heathcare" I suppose your Taxes are not Paying for that "free" Heathcare Like I said you have make people think they are free. What motive do people have to make new Drugs or go to school for 6 years to become a Doctor.... to Better Mankind? HAHAHAHA Please Tell me you don't Believe that! Gee why does everyone come to the US for thier operations.

Yes I can call a Liberal a Socialist because:
Socialism was Marx's Dream not Communism. Communism was meant to prepare a country for socialism. If you are building up to Marx's goals then that would make you a Socialist.

So then what did Marx want:
Progressive income tax - So do liberals, always wanting to tax the rich (which I'm not) In the US the Income Tax was started in 1913 Under Woodrow Wilson. A Surprise Vote on Christmas Eve with only 3 members of Congress Present.

No Private Property - So Do Liberals, No long ago the LIBERALS in the US Supreme court said that the Government can take propery from a Private citizen and give it to someone else.

Abolishing Religion - So Do Liberals, after all thier fighting to take the word GOD out of the National Anthiem of the US. It's clear the Liberal want a State Religon, Atheism

I could go on but hopefully you have realized that your proper title is a Marxist.

Oh and the USSR thing, Well the end goal was Socialism, Europe was turned Socialist. Just go read what Marx's wanted to do... it's clear.

 

[Mylon]

I'm still undecided on the global warming issue, really. There is evidence that people are contributing to greenhouse gasses, but on the other side of the coin there is evidence that this is part of a natural cycle. That is, the evidence for human-caused global warming is there, but I don't think it's strong enough yet.

Anti-global warming people will often state that volcanic eruptions can release far more carbon dioxide than humans can produce in many, many years. Pro-global warming people will often talk about how much water vapor combustion produces, which is silly because the water vapor has a very short lifespan due to something called the water cycle.

Abolishing Religion - So Do Liberals, after all thier fighting to take the word GOD out of the National Anthiem of the US. It's clear the Liberal want a State Religon, Atheism

if atheism (note the little a) were the state religion, we'd have monuments reminding people that God is fiction. Or the government would be strictly anti-religion, like modern day China. The pledge, just for reference, originally contained no reference to god and was written by a preacher. It was not until the McCarthy era that, in 1954, the Pledge was changed to include God so we could be better than those "commie bastards". It was an unconstitutional measure, but it passed just like the Patriot Act did because the times were able to influence our government into acting regardless of the constitution.

The pledge and our currency has no business claiming "god". I'm sure many Christians would be offended if it said "Allah" or "Bhudda". God is actually rather specific, thanks to a certain religion taking claim to it.

 

[holy king]

hm...
strange political debate you us-guys are having...
especially when you think about how few differences there are between democrats and republicans... (come on, you got almost a one party system...)

 

[Proper Gander]

sirnate, i don't quite understand why you call people marxist, he hardly said anything that would make him as such.
you seem to be strongly influenced by the anti-communist propaganda that was going on during the cold war.

and no, i'm not a communist.

quite frankly i think your attitude is far from reality. and i think it might be advisable if you left the wonderful states to see how things REALLY work, and REALLY are outside of it.
europe has a very strong conservative base, ever growing thanks to the economy.

Gee why does everyone come to the US for thier operations.

good place to get breast implants i 'spose

 

[Xenocrates]

controlling the language used to define people and ideas is almost indistinguishable to controlling people directly.

This thread started of fun but now it's sheer lunacy.

Republicans and Democrats may wear different shirts, but they are playing the same game.