Lonecat Nekophrodite
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I've just test animations of Civ6 Ironclads and it turns out that port and starboard guns aren't dummy at all. actually it could be modded to be either Naval Ranged or Battleship (Naval unit class in my mod project, which i might consider removing it if you don't agree with separations of Naval Ranged and Battleship class). In default games (including in Civ5 as well) Ironclads are naval melee with (usually) available with Steam Power (except in Civ3 expansions which it has its own separate tech (And the sillest 'tech' ever exists).
1. Do you agree with the default Ironclad Civilopedia entry?
https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Ironclad_(Civ6)
I don't! After extensive online research i've found out that the term isn't only limited to the broadside steam ship with iron platings -> American Civil War variants (which they're strictly riverine), the term is colloquially referred to Battleships until the release of HMS Dreadnought. and the term becomes very hazy in 1870-1890s but some still called 1890s era BB as Ironclad until Dreadnought came. To be precise. Ironclads are the predecessor of Battleships (As well as Ships of the Line are). Also the earliest Ironclads are also oceangoing ships of the line with steam and sail propulsins and armor platings.
In First Sino Japanese War (AKA the Jiawu War). Qing China bought two (or maybe more) Battleships (Also referred to as Ironclads) from German Empire, the most modern by the time. both are named Zhen Yuan and Ding Yuan (The ONLY BBs ever owned by China ever). both came with ridiculously positioned main battery.
https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww1/china/dingyuan-class-ironclads-1881
Too bad the ship is humbled by Japanese tactical superiority. by then Japanese Navy doesn't have any Battleship yet (I'm not sure if Koutetsu/Azuma which formery owned by Confederate State of America can be called such but they didn't use it against Qing Empire in that war). their flagship is a big French made Cruiser (not sure if it is 'protected' (only engine rooms armored) or 'armored'.) but they used alot of Torpedo Boats and smaller cruisers there.
2. Why Firaxis assigned Ironclad as Naval Melee? What did Ironclads really are? ACW armored river gunboats? did they have so much impressum with ACW?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City-class_ironclad
and a little item of note. US Army once owned these Ironclads before transferred them to Navy. Is it because there's no Navy base along Missisipi? this is not so usual that Land oriented 'Army' owns warships which usually 'Navy' thing (similiarly like Navies never add cavalrymen to their marine corps )
1. Do you agree with the default Ironclad Civilopedia entry?
The best-known clash between ironclads – those steam-propelled, lumbering behemoths covered by iron or steel plating – at Hampton Roads in May 1862 AD ended in a draw. The C.S.S Virginia had earlier wreaked havoc on the Union’s traditional warships there, and while there was a lot of fighting still to come, the age of wood and sail in warfare was doomed. But the American ironclads weren’t very seaworthy, and tended to sink in open water. The British Royal Navy built the first classes of “seagoing ironclads” (actually armored, iron-hulled frigates) in the early 1860s, and soon enough they added steam-engine driven screws to the designs. Seeing how the Virginia had handled wooden warships far larger, every nation scrambled to build ironclads. The first fleet action fought on the open water between ironclads was near the island of Lissa in the Adriatic between the Austrian and Italian navies; of the 19 ironclads involved, two went to the bottom. But, like that battle, the age of the ironclad didn’t last long.
https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Ironclad_(Civ6)
I don't! After extensive online research i've found out that the term isn't only limited to the broadside steam ship with iron platings -> American Civil War variants (which they're strictly riverine), the term is colloquially referred to Battleships until the release of HMS Dreadnought. and the term becomes very hazy in 1870-1890s but some still called 1890s era BB as Ironclad until Dreadnought came. To be precise. Ironclads are the predecessor of Battleships (As well as Ships of the Line are). Also the earliest Ironclads are also oceangoing ships of the line with steam and sail propulsins and armor platings.
In First Sino Japanese War (AKA the Jiawu War). Qing China bought two (or maybe more) Battleships (Also referred to as Ironclads) from German Empire, the most modern by the time. both are named Zhen Yuan and Ding Yuan (The ONLY BBs ever owned by China ever). both came with ridiculously positioned main battery.
https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww1/china/dingyuan-class-ironclads-1881
Too bad the ship is humbled by Japanese tactical superiority. by then Japanese Navy doesn't have any Battleship yet (I'm not sure if Koutetsu/Azuma which formery owned by Confederate State of America can be called such but they didn't use it against Qing Empire in that war). their flagship is a big French made Cruiser (not sure if it is 'protected' (only engine rooms armored) or 'armored'.) but they used alot of Torpedo Boats and smaller cruisers there.
2. Why Firaxis assigned Ironclad as Naval Melee? What did Ironclads really are? ACW armored river gunboats? did they have so much impressum with ACW?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City-class_ironclad
and a little item of note. US Army once owned these Ironclads before transferred them to Navy. Is it because there's no Navy base along Missisipi? this is not so usual that Land oriented 'Army' owns warships which usually 'Navy' thing (similiarly like Navies never add cavalrymen to their marine corps )