Civilization 4: Complete IS NOT DRM-Free

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[EDIT: I kept the original post here intact so that this thread would still make sense and people would understand what the replies are all about, but it turns out I was mistaken about some things, in part due to errors in the game's documentation on the auto-run file. Please see post 9 in this thread for details.]

I bought "Civilization 4: Complete" because it was advertised as DRM-free. The case for the game itself, when it arrived, even made a point of mentioning that the game was DRM-free.

This game is not DRM-free. For one thing, it requires that the DVD be present in the drive in order to play. For another, it seems to hide the installed game files so that they aren't viewable in the file system viewer.

I bought ever Civilization game that was made beginning with the original Civilization. When I bought the regular old Civilization 4 years ago, which in that case at least was honest and did not make the claim to be free of DRM, I said that would be the last DRM game I'd buy, because a bad patch forced me to reinstall from the CD, which was scratched, and I basically lost my money on the thing. I blame Firaxis and Take-Two for that, because I would have backed the game up to an external hard drive and so on and so forth had their DRM not prevented me from doing so and required a CD to be in the drive.

I decided that if I could back up my music, my video files, my word processing files, and so and on and so forth, and even some simple computer games I enjoy, there is no excuse for me not to be allowed to backup a game as expensive as Civilization 4 (At least expensive for me, someone who doesn't have a lot of money and usually plays old DOS games or simple modern open-source free games).

So, when I saw "Civilization 4: Complete" was claiming to be DRM-free, I rejoiced. I could buy the latest edition in my favorite game series one more time and keep it forever, just like I still have the original Civilization from 1991.

It turns out, the makers of the game lied. It's false advertising. I am now trying to decide whether it is worth my while to try to get my money back from the website that sold it to me. One thing is for sure, though -- I will never buy from Firaxis or Take-Two again. Civilization 4 is the end of the line for me as far as the Civilization series goes.

It's a shame, because I love Civilization. I'm essentially a non-gamer who is so enthusiastic about that particular game that I have all four of them, plus the two "Call To Power" spin-offs and a couple of other titles. But that's it for me. I hate DRM on principle, because it means I don't really own the game I pay for, but I hate being lied to even more. I was blatantly sold something on a false premise. It's beyond sleazy.
 
Where did you buy it (ie, what country)? The American version is the DRM free one - the European version was released when BtS first came out and has DRM. I suspect you have that version, as games aren't typically released on DVD in the US. The 3.19 patch for BtS also removes the disc check.

What OS do you use? Civ simply installs in a weird location under Vista.
 
Where did you buy it (ie, what country)? The American version is the DRM free one - the European version was released when BtS first came out and has DRM. I suspect you have that version, as games aren't typically released on DVD in the US. The 3.19 patch for BtS also removes the disc check.

I bought it on the American version of amazon.com, shipped to an an address in the United States, and using a credit card tied to the same address. Both the license agreement and the readme say that the DVD is required, and then it will not play from the screen that has "play" on it once the DVD has been removed. It is a DVD.

What OS do you use? Civ simply installs in a weird location under Vista.

I use Vista. Where does it install to? I didn't see it under Program Files. I haven't tried launching the program directly from it's spot in the file system, because I can't find it there.
 
it is DRM free (the US version) - I have it installed - where did you buy it from? does it include Colonization or not?

The US, and it does include Colonization.

Welcome to CFC :band:

Thanks. :) I'm a bit aggravated at Take-Two right now, but it's good to be here. I remember playing Civilization in MS-DOS way back as the Americans and taking over Moscow to cause Russia to erupt into a civil war at key moments in the game -- I've really never seen anything like this series before, I'd still to this day prefer even the original Civilization over most and maybe all modern non-Civ games. That's part of why this DRM issue is so aggravating and why I was willing to actually buy this thing a second time when they promised it wouldn't be there.
 
if it is vista64 it installs in program files(x86)\
and then has the following subfolders:
2kgames\firaxis games\sid meier's civilization 4 complete\
and
2kgames\firaxis games\sid meier's civilization 4 colonisation\

does it give an error message when it refuses to start? did you try starting it from the shortcuts instead of the autoplay feature? I guess you try starting it from the autoplay executable on the disc which will only work with the disc in the drive - and I fear you don't have shortcuts because the installer often screws up on Vista in creating those...
 
You do realize that Amazon sells both versions, right? I think you just bought the wrong one.

There's a thread in the tech support forum that has the vista install locations (look for Lemon's Guide to Civ on Vista or something like that).

if it has colonization its the right one.
though the vista guide (stickied in the tech support forum is a really good guide to getting it run on vista).
 
if it is vista64 it installs in program files(x86)\
and then has the following subfolders:
2kgames\firaxis games\sid meier's civilization 4 complete\
and
2kgames\firaxis games\sid meier's civilization 4 colonisation\

does it give an error message when it refuses to start? did you try starting it from the shortcuts instead of the autoplay feature? I guess you try starting it from the autoplay executable on the disc which will only work with the disc in the drive - and I fear you don't have shortcuts because the installer often screws up on Vista in creating those...

Thanks for the info. I did find it in the file system this time -- I had been looking under "Firaxis", where the original Civ 4 I had installed, if I recall correctly, and also under "Civilization 4", rather than under "2kgames".

Thanks for the help. It does start now and I feel a little foolish for starting this thread at this point. I haven't actually gotten into playing a game, but I got as far as selecting world type. I wanted to reply to the thread and finish up some stuff online before further testing, though it seems like it should work after getting that far.

Still, it would be helpful if the read me and the license on the DVD itself didn't actually say you needed the DVD in the drive. That didn't exactly help me remain calm and not to jump to conclusions about the veracity of the packing. I'm sure they just used the original readme and license from the previous edition of the game, but it does seem like an oversight that those things weren't changed.

I created shortcuts pretty easily. It was odd that the installer didn't, that's a pretty standard feature going back as far as Civ2, but that's not a huge deal. I've used computers long enough that creating a desktop shortcut from a .exe is about as easily as breathing.

Anyone have experience with backing this edition of the game up? Does a standard ISO creator work to create an iso image of the DVD on an external hard drive? Or is there a better method? I have a bad history with scratched CDs and hard drive failures and the like, so I want to get a backup made ASAP to insure that I can play these games over the long haul.
 
no idea about a cd backup - one thing I know is that the installation works fine when you just copy all the files on the disc to your hard drive and run the install from there - so pretty much any method of storing the files should work.

I agree on the documentation part - that is not exactly a strong suite with regards to this game - just think about the atrocious manual and civilopedia errors in the original release :gripe:
 
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