iamliberal
Prince
Oh woops, lol
Civilization 5
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ThERat
Deity
I am always wondering about such comments really. If you have played C3C, you can say that artillery is powerful. But it is slow, much slower than the favored attackers you have (like knights/cavs/tanks). So, if you prefer to fight using huge stacks of artillery on the offense, it comes with a heavy price. You need to build them all and wars will be slow, which will thus increase the chance of republic WW, where the key is fast and decisive wars.
The real great thing about artillery in C3C was the chance to fight off the huge stacks the AI sent. Meaning, you would use them to soften the attacker. If you have ever played AW in C3C, you know how fun artillery is, if combined properly with other units.
Let's see what CIV offers... Whoever claims here that SOD do not exist in CIV, is playing on far too low a difficulty. There is no other explanation for me as the AI can come up with very impressive stacks. Now, what do you do against those stacks? Guess what, you use suicde artillery to soften the stack. Often, you could suicide a few and use the rest of the artillery stack to eradicate the whole enemy stack, be it on the offense or defense. Anyone trying to attack enemy cities without stacks of artillery in CIV, obviously has not experienced the power of them.
Now, tell me, what is then so different that CIV is so far superior in this aspect? It's plain stupid for me to suicide artillery. I prefer the C3C model of a supplementary artillery. The issue that the AI did not know how to use them is an entirely different thing. Armies were huge fun and just because they couldn't bother to programme the AI to make use of them got them booted from CIV? Doesn't make sense.
If they would have bothered to keep the great concepts of C3C and combine with the great things CIV has to offer, we would have a truly enjoyable game. I do not particulary enjoy playing a game where I get constantly frustrated about nerfed options. I play to enjoy and enjoyment means for quite a few of us, that we win this game...with a proper challenge. It certainly is no fun for me to win a culture or space win by merely pressing enter many times. Or lose that way as well...boring...in CIV there is hardly any way to make a comeback if you have fallen behind...not my cup of tea
iamliberal
Prince
Ya I never liked doing slow cat stack wars. My strategy utilizes fast units more often, but I think I'm pretty flexible. I hven't played those other games, just every version of Civ. I'm not the best player, but I've had a lot of comeback games that have been a lot of fun. In fact, because I'm such a micromanager, I never go for world dominatino or conquest wins. For my strategies, war is usually what I use as last resort and I'm very calculated in my attacks. That brings to mind another great improvement in Civ4: in previous games, it often seemed that whoever could expand the fastest earlierst won, so my strategy of small civ with super well-developed cities often put me at a disadvantage early on. But in civ4 with the new economic system that limits early expansion, my strategy has gotten waaay buffed, I love it.
grumbler
Prince
That's odd. When I do it, I get this:
But then, I'm on the PC side of things and it seems you're using a Mac. You might want to take a look at "Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Assets\XML\Units\CIV4ControlInfos.xml" (or "Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Warlords\Assets\XML\Units\CIV4ControlInfos.xml", if you have Warlords). Inside that file, search for CONTROL_TURN_LOG and check which key combination brings up the log window.
Abaddon
Deity
One word: NGDR's
