Civs That make you Start Over

[joshua43214]

So the last three games I have played all had Greece in them.

I have decided that he unbalances the game more than any other civ. In my last game I had put a spy in a CS early and had managed to accrue nearly 300 faction with him by modern era. It was the only CS not allied with Greece. The next thing I know, Greece staged a coup and I am at -17! I have reached the point where I am just bored with the impossible coups.

Seriously, with the stupid DV system you have to devote more resources to shutting down Greece than Shaka or Assyria when they are neighbors. I can always recover from destroying Shaka, but I end up with my game seriously gimped trying to keep just 1 CS away from Greece so he does not win a DV.

I want a "ban civ" button...

Is there a civ that makes you just start over when you see them?

 

[Js_9001]

You can disable diplo victory if you want to. You can also choose which civs you want to play against in advanced settings, although I'm not sure if you can prevent certain civs from appearing.

 

[z284pwr]

Really Advanced Setup and disable him from spawning. That's what I do

 

[Irkalla]

Why don't you just invade Greece?

Invade him early or deal with the consequences.

 

[joshua43214]

Why don't you just invade Greece?

Invade him early or deal with the consequences.

Invade him on the far side of a Pangaea doing OCC?
Thanks for the suggestion though.

Fact is that DV is crap, and Greece is a problem.

People always complain about Shaka who is really easy to kill off and you can easily recover from it mid game, where Alex comes into his strength late game and unless he is next door or gets pounded by someone else he is unbalanced.

 

[dexters]

You can do a lot of things to deal with an AI you think may be a strong rival without directly attacking them, and that includes a ramped up diplomatic game building alliances around them to contain them; I would highly recommend against starting over on account its a Civ you don't want to fight, because it becomes a crutch and you're not playing as Civ is intended to be.

Not saying its you necessarily, but we don't have a shortage of people who posts condescension about how 'easy' the game is but since there are so many variables, we never really know if they are reloading every other turn, playing baked starts or like you, reloading when they see a Civ they think will challenge them.

Just play random starts on a map setting of your choice and 'deal with it' you'll find once you get over the fear factor of not having full control over your start, the games come a lot faster (fewer reloading/restarts) and you'll enjoy it a heck of a lot more.

 

[joshua43214]

You can do a lot of things to deal with an AI you think may be a strong rival without directly attacking them, and that includes a ramped up diplomatic game building alliances around them to contain them; I would highly recommend against starting over on account its a Civ you don't want to fight, because it becomes a crutch and you're not playing as Civ is intended to be.

Not saying its you necessarily, but we don't have a shortage of people who posts condescension about how 'easy' the game is but since there are so many variables, we never really know if they are reloading every other turn, playing baked starts or like you, reloading when they see a Civ they think will challenge them.

Just play random starts on a map setting of your choice and 'deal with it' you'll find once you get over the fear factor of not having full control over your start, the games come a lot faster (fewer reloading/restarts) and you'll enjoy it a heck of a lot more.

Ya, I play a lot of random leader starts.

Your missing the point though.

If you play well in any game that is science focused, so either an SV or CV and to a lesser degree Domination, you launch the world leader vote. Suddenly, instead of the 500 turn timer, you are on a short timer to win your chosen VC if Greece is in the game. Even when Venice is in the game I can keep at least one CS away from him, not Greece though unless it becomes my main priority.

I mean, I am not working so hard so I can give crappy Greece a 280 turn victory just because I decided to play a culture game...

Besides, I am not looking for advice here, after over 1800hours of gameplay I figure I've paid all my dues to sticking out crappy starts .

I was just interested if any one else has the same reaction to other civs.

 

[civ54lyfe]

i've rerolled a couple times when Monty or Shaka is my immediate neighbor and they do a typical crushing wave that i failed to properly prepare for.

but out of curiosity to your scenario.. did Greece get nukes banned before you were able to nuke/capture his capital?

 

[Dalinski]

Pretty sure the AI always wants to quit when they see that "Dalinski" ruler again.....

 

[PhilBowles]

So the last three games I have played all had Greece in them.

I have decided that he unbalances the game more than any other civ. In my last game I had put a spy in a CS early and had managed to accrue nearly 300 faction with him by modern era. It was the only CS not allied with Greece. The next thing I know, Greece staged a coup and I am at -17! I have reached the point where I am just bored with the impossible coups.

That's nothing to do with Greece; the Greek UA just makes influence degrade more slowly. Any civ can occasionally pull that sort of thing off (though coups seem very rare in BNW). If Greece had also been focusing on that CS it might have had a slight benefit from its UA in giving it enough influence to make a coup more likely, but the effect on coup success would be minor.

 

[MerchantCo]

Take the time to choose all of the civs you want, and don't include Greece. If you're going to play a several hours long game, choosing the civs for a minute won't hurt. Unless you've got the RAS mod, which makes things very easy indeed.

 

[joshua43214]

That's nothing to do with Greece; the Greek UA just makes influence degrade more slowly. Any civ can occasionally pull that sort of thing off (though coups seem very rare in BNW). If Greece had also been focusing on that CS it might have had a slight benefit from its UA in giving it enough influence to make a coup more likely, but the effect on coup success would be minor.

Ya, Its a synergistic thing with Greece. He tends to go wide, and ends up having a huge gold stack. Because of his UA, he focuses heavily on CS, even more than Austria or Venice IMO. It rolls into a situation where he can't be controlled unless you get lucky and he has a neighbor that keeps him in perma-war, but the AI seems to have trouble putting him down.

He had made several failed coup attempts, which was why I went from ~300 to -17. The coded modifier for the AI coup attempts is a bit dazzling at times. Usually I just shake my head a marvel...

 

[Walter R]

I get Alex a lot and he is seriously OP - I always groan if I find he's in the mix. But I only reroll if my starting location is pathetic, because I'm trying to become a better player (I may succeed one day!). I still think the best way to deal with Alex is to go to war, but sometimes these wars last a long time...

 

[DrZ]

I agree that Greece is powerful, but there are a lot of ways to deal wit him. If you did not watch it, see Maddjinn beat Grece on Deity with the under-powered India, with a Bollywood attempt, and win a culture victory. Have in mind that Grece did spawn on the other side of the continent and was indeed stupidly overpowered by the end game. Disabling him is not the way, take the challenge and defeat him . This is how you learn how to play better.

Here is the maddjinn game.

 

[Tich]

I'll jump in on the "f*** Greece" boat. He is by far and away the most annoying civ in the game. I'm not saying that he can't be beaten or anything but I mean it's ridiculously annoying to deal with the fact that he will ally EVERY SINGLE CS EVERY SINGLE GAME. There's 0 doubt about it. My typical strategy to beat him involves winning my SV by like 240 which is usually just fast enough to dodge the diplo vote or to ally a bunch of CS and DOW him just before the vote happens to prevent him from winning. The fact that those are your only options (because he can move spies and use them to coup instantly and they've never failed in the history of the world) is pretty sad in my mind. Again, I'm not saying that he's "hard" to beat, he's just annoying as heck and I hate seeing him.

 

[MarshalN]

It's fine if you play Pangaea and you find Greece - at least you can deal with him. It's worse when you are on continents or islands and you only find him after he had plenty of time to runaway. Then it becomes really hard to control him and you have to play CS defense all game. Winnable, sure, but seriously annoying

 

[Strategist83]

So, basically a thread whining about Greece putting up a challenge. Cool stuff.

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[Walter R]

It's fine if you play Pangaea and you find Greece - at least you can deal with him. It's worse when you are on continents or islands and you only find him after he had plenty of time to runaway. Then it becomes really hard to control him and you have to play CS defense all game. Winnable, sure, but seriously annoying

Yes I play island maps a lot and I often find him only after he's already a major powerhouse - a real pain! In a recent game I found him by virtue of him plopping a settler near me, one of the famous AI ice cities that somehow manage to grow quite big.

 

[NASAROG]

Use Austria to diplomatically marry all the city states underneath him, no?

 

[Aldor]

While I don't actually start over very often, these make me WANT to start over

- the known religion-mongers, like Ethiopia or the Maja, or the Arabs. Just sooo annoying to see a constant stream of missionaries or prophets...
- Kamehama, he just seems to pop up in every other game I play. He's not bad, just appears far too often
- Venice. Just because you know that he will steal the CS you have just allied with..

Somehow I very rarely see Alex in my games. So I haven't had a lot of bad experiences with him