Coal

[FirstLine]

Hello. I did post a letter earlier but I cannot find it to see if any reply. So please forgive me for asking questions again.
I am having bother with resource - coal. It doesn't appear most times. When it has, I can only build railroad for a short period! Any help, please.
Is it alright to load Civ II on computer with Windowls XP?
This looks a great place. Thanks. D.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

I dunnot about Civ II, but Civ III works on a computer with XP.

coal disappears a lot. It's a pain.

What you can do is expand more - make sure you get jungle/mountain tiles.

If coal disappears from one place, it will reappear somewhere else, so if you have a lot of land, there is a good chance it will reappear in your land.

 

[vmxa]

I use Test of Time in XP, it is the same as civ2. If you have problems, get DosBox and it will run for sure.

 

[Padma]

You first asked in the "Welcome New Members" thread. A lot of questions there go unanswered, because it really isn't theright place for questions.

Coal should appear when you've researched Steam Power. It may not appear in you territory at all, though, and if your maps aren't up to date, you may not see just where it appeared. Like most Strategic Resources, there is a chance each turn that a given coal deposit will disappear (the deposit will be used up). If it does, then it will almost always reappear somewhere else. Again, mybe not in your territory.

 

[FirstLine]

Thanks for swift replies.
vmxa. Is Test of Time a version? Sorry, but I am not quite sure what you mean by DosBox! Is it a converter from Dos to Windows?
I have, since my post, put CivII on WinXP - seems OK. Now I am in a dilemma as what is best? as I have both 2 and 3 on!! I can't get used to screen swinging away!
Thanks for your mail.

 

[nc-1701]

Play civ3 the big differance is the culture borders there the reason why I will never play civ2.

 

[timerover51]

Thanks for swift replies.
vmxa. Is Test of Time a version? Sorry, but I am not quite sure what you mean by DosBox! Is it a converter from Dos to Windows?
I have, since my post, put CivII on WinXP - seems OK. Now I am in a dilemma as what is best? as I have both 2 and 3 on!! I can't get used to screen swinging away!
Thanks for your mail.

If you have Civ3 Complete, Test of Time is one of the mods that you find in the Play the World Scenarios folder or the Civ-Conquests folder. It is an interesting mod, with variable resource values, and covers the entire world. It could use some work in the resource department, as North America is definitely shorted when it comes to resources.

As for coal, I have hit the same problem in several games. In two where I was playing solitaire, i.e. no computer opponents, to see how fast I could build a star ship, I had explored the entire map, and found myself with exactly ONE coal deposit. It also disappears very quickly. My answer to that is use the Civ3 Conquest editor, or the Civ3 Vanilla editor, which I have for my Macs, to set the likelyhood of disappearance to "0" in the editor, save the edited map, and then play the game. What I have not tried is changing the appearance number to the same as some of the luxury resources, and see if that delivers more coal. Either way would be an option. Given that coal is one of the most widely found fossil fuels, I find it a bit irritating to have so little of it appear.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

The fewer opponents you have, the fewer resources you get, which is one reason why you only got 1 coal when playing solo.

 

[pol1]

as to TeTurkhan's Test of Time - resources are placed accordingly to real world's positions, so some will have them close or within borders and some won't.
and there rubber is far away from europe --> so You need to conquer (trade), get more land.

 

[vikingruler]

First, welcome to CFC FirstLine!!!

Second, with the coal. If you don't have a source of coal when you discover Steam Power consider trading for it. Also, when your researching Steam Power make sure you have a lot of workers ready to begin making railroads, this way once you get coal in your territory you can maximize it by immideatly making railroads.

 

[Civinator]

Is Test of Time a version? Sorry, but I am not quite sure what you mean by DosBox!

The expression "Test of Time" was used in every version from Civ1 - to Civ 4. I´m sure from the context, that vmxa meant the last version of Civ 2, called "Test of Time" (ToT), that gave you better use of events, graphics (the first animated units and resources in Civ) and other stuff, compared to vanilla Civ 2 or the upgrade "Fantastic Worlds" (if I remember that name correctly).

DosBox is a program that let you run most of the old dos-games. I use it sometimes for running MoO 1 (which is a speciality of vmxa ).

 

[pol1]

that is why i've written about TeTurkhan, cause timeover51 reffered to it.

OTOH i used DosBox with some other old games, some abandonware and there is only one problem - it's so slow, but otherwise ok.

 

[FirstLine]

Hello. Thanks for all your help, everyone. This time I got coal but iron run out! But I got the idea now.
Thans very much.

 

[LLXerxes]

Hello. I did post a letter earlier but I cannot find it to see if any reply. So please forgive me for asking questions again.
I am having bother with resource - coal. It doesn't appear most times. When it has, I can only build railroad for a short period! Any help, please.

You can check on all the threads you've posted in by clicking the 'User CP' button at the top of the site (It's near Home, Gallery, FAQ, Member List ect)

And this is probably because the rescources are exhausted. If you have exhausted rescources check your territory to see if there are any other sources of coal that you haven't connected yet.

 

[gmaharriet]

If you don't have a source of coal when you discover Steam Power consider trading for it. Also, when your researching Steam Power make sure you have a lot of workers ready to begin making railroads, this way once you get coal in your territory you can maximize it by immideatly making railroads.

An additional comment on trading for coal. If you have your own source, you'll probably want to organize your workers in gangs to rail a tile in one turn. With traded coal where you have to either renew the trade after 20 turns or stop building rails, it may be better to put 1 worker per tile on the 20th turn, because they can finish railing several turns AFTER you lose your coal supply...just so long as you had it when they began the job.

 

[timerover51]

An awful lot of wood was burned in the early steam engines instead of or in lieu of coal, which in the United States only came into general use in the 1870s. Presently, air-dried wood is comparable in energy to the lignite used in many power plants. Has anyone worked up a mod with wood or charcoal being used as a substitute for coal? You would have to have a forest inside of your city radius, or have timber or lumber as one of your resources, but it would provide an option to those players who have iron and no coal, or have the steam power tech and no coal.

As for TETurkhan, he does a fair job with resources, but when it comes to the US, he needs a fair amount of work. His resource allocation really shorts the North American continent.

A side note on Rubber: Since rubber is produced as sap by the Hevea tree, in theory it should never be exhausted, and wild Hevea trees are still found in large numbers in Brazil. It was transplanted to the Far East, especially in Malaya, by the British. As a consequence, you might want to set up some rubber plantations in the Far East to be triggered by the Replaceable Parts tech, or perhaps, Industrialization.

 

[Kiowa]

I have an entire continent and no coal. On the other continent, Japan sits with 4 extra coal and unwilling to trade. Coal is a strange one to understand.