Considering Romania

[jsciv69]

I know Romania has only been independent since the late 19th Century. But in the Middle Ages, Wallachia, Moldavia, and of course Transylvania were considered Romanian Principalities/states. And Wallachia brings the reason for mentioning Romania.
Vlad the Impaler. The bloodthirsty ruthless tyrant that inspired the legend of Dracula. In a series that features Attila the Hun, Alexander, and Isabella, it's only natural to include Vlad into that club. So far most of the European Civs seem to have a Middle Ages type theme. What says Middle Ages more than Vlad Dracula to lead Romania?

 

[Civciv5]

Didn't the Roman "Byzantine" Empire call itself "Romania"?

I don't think I'd like to see much more European civs soon. Maybe Hungary or Serbia someday.

 

[jsciv69]

Didn't the Roman "Byzantine" Empire call itself "Romania"?

I don't think I'd like to see much more European civs soon. Maybe Hungary or Serbia someday.

This idea is mainly for an expansion pack. I just like the potential of getting Vlad in the game somehow. I don't think a Wallachia Civ makes sense. Making it a full Romania Civ with Transylvania and Vlad Dracula as Master in say a large dark castle just sounds kind of cool. The children of the night what music they make.:mwahahaha:

 

[SMA333M]

They should add it as "Dacia". Even Rome Total War 2 has Dacia as a playable faction from the beginning. It was an important faction back then. And archaeological discoveries show that the people from Dacia were the ancestors of romans.

Dacia can have Burebista or Decebal as leader.

Or add Thracia.

 

[Ezumiyr]

So far most of the European Civs seem to have a Middle Ages type theme.

Really ?
Victoria, Catherine de Médicis, Pericles and Gorgo, Trajan, Peter the Great, Isabella and Philip II... No, only the German leader is indeed medieval.

And archaeological discoveries show that the people from Dacia were the ancestors of romans.

Jokes aside, Dacia was only one of the many interesting neighbour kingdoms of the Roman Empire. Dacia would only be that tiny realm between the Roman Empire and Scythia (Sarmatia)... There are many other ancient civs that played more important roles. Thracia would be a better choice, the problem is that there are already Thracian people in what the ancients called Scythia. So we already have the "ancient horse people civ".

Romania... Well, why not. We don't have any south-eastern modern european civs, if I'm not wrong. But Bulgaria or Hungary may be more interesting choices...

 

[SMcM]

Off course Michael the brave ruled a united Romania briefly also. He certainly has a distinctive appearance, and there is a film about him which is very well reviewed on IMDb (though I don't know how well received it was by critics because it was only released in Romania I think). I haven't seen it but I am fairly sure the whole film is uploaded on YouTube. But Vlad III Dracula, even if only ruler of Wallachia, is clearly a lot better known, and makes more sense as a 'big personality' leader. He would have worked very well as a Civ 5 leader I feel; I can imagine his leaderscene with him sitting across a long dining table from you on a throne, with the room quite dark due to it being evening with light not coming in through the windows, but with candles by him casting a large shadow of him onto the wall behind. Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor would be his theme.

Also, I agree Dacia under a king like Burebista and Decabalus could be interesting. The fact it is an ancient Civilisation is alone enough to make it appeal to me. There is a film about Decabalus as well. Modern Romanians are believed to have ancestry which is mixture of Dacian and Roman IIRC, as Dacia was conquered by the Romans and became a province of the empire.

Completely unrelated to Romania, but on the topic of very cruel rulers like Vlad, Phalaris the tyrant of Agrigento would make a fairly terrifying leader. Just imagine this brought to life in a game:

Though Phalaris is remembered as both an all around terrible person and an all around terrible leader, so his inclusion would be impossible to justify (although what we know of him could quite easily in fact all be false propaganda; there are outlandish sounding claims made about him such as that he ate babies).

Really ?
Victoria, Catherine de Médicis, Pericles and Gorgo, Trajan, Peter the Great, Isabella and Philip II... No, only the German leader is indeed medieval.

True. But another medieval European Civ ruler is Harald Hardrada, and so is Jadwiga (just about). And outside of Europe, we have Saladin and Hojo Tokimune.

Romania... Well, why not. We don't have any south-eastern modern european civs, if I'm not wrong. But Bulgaria or Hungary may be more interesting choices...

I know Hunagry and the Huns are not remotely the same, but was Attila not born in the area which is modern Hunagry? And didn't early rulers of Hunagry claim to be descended from him? I for one would like to see Attilla return; as with Vlad, he is a very iconic character.

 

[j51]

Can't all of these calls for X civ that you're making be in one thread?

 

[GenyaArikado]

I want Romania with Vlad and Hungary with Elizabeth Bathory.

 

[jsciv69]

Can't all of these calls for X civ that you're making be in one thread?

I like to give each it's own attention. like the Parade of Nations at the Olympics. Each is introduced one by one. Each is given it's own thread. I encourage anyone who has an idea for a Civ to present it as an individual thread(like presenting a bill in Congress)and give a reason for the proposal and see who agrees or disagrees.

 

[jsciv69]

I want Romania with Vlad and Hungary with Elizabeth Bathory.

Just imagine them both together sipping wine in a jacuzzi of hot bubbling blood.

 

[SMcM]

I want Romania with Vlad and Hungary with Elizabeth Bathory.

Elizabeth Bathory? Yeah, very funny, but it is not remotely the same; he might have been very cruel, but including him is not the same as including a serial killer; Vlad's victims were mostly (but not exculisevely) his enemies, not just commoners. Bathory just murdered hundreds of innocent young woman. Vlad was an actual ruler, not just a member of the royal family. Besides, why should we be politically correct about leader selection when the leader is centuries too old to even be remembered by anyone?

 

[GenyaArikado]

I wasnt making a joke. I DO want Elizabeth Bathory. She was powerful enough, she is iconic, definitely a big personality and she didnt rule badly at all. We need more a*****e leaders

 

[HanNorwood]

Hungary has a lot of options to choose from. Matthias Corvinius, Stephen I, Béla the Blind, all of whom were actual leaders, and strong ones at that. Elizabeth Bathory was not just an actual leader, but as one of the most monstrous and dangerous serial killers in history, too controversial for a civ game.

As for Wallachia/Romania as a civ in the game, I've been calling for it for a long time (along with Hungary), and I expect that this time around at least one of them will get their due. I have a feeling that it will be Romania, since Vlad is so iconic.

On a related note, if you go into 'Creation & Customization' and find the leader screens thread, you can see some rough work I'd done on a Dracula leader head, if I ever mod one.

 

[GenyaArikado]

I'm sure they have. I dont care. Give me Countess Bathory.

 

[SMcM]

Hungary has a lot of options to choose from. Matthias Corvinius, Stephen I, Béla the Blind, all of whom were actual leaders, and strong ones at that. Elizabeth Bathory was not just an actual leader, but as one of the most monstrous and dangerous serial killers in history, too controversial for a civ game.

As for Wallachia/Romania as a civ in the game, I've been calling for it for a long time (along with Hungary), and I expect that this time around at least one of them will get their due. I have a feeling that it will be Romania, since Vlad is so iconic.

On a related note, if you go into 'Creation & Customization' and find the leader screens thread, you can see some rough work I'd done on a Dracula leader head, if I ever mod one.

Completely with you on Elizabeth Bathory. Vlad's antics were an effective war tactic, even if they were gruesome. There was some method behind the madness, even if he got carried away, and ended up taking too much pleasure in the torture. Even then, is he really much worse than other vicious rulers like Ivan IV and byzantine emperor Basil II?

Bathory, on the other hand, was not even a ruler, just a disgusting serial killer, likely one of the worst in history. This is by far the worst leader suggestion I've seen!

By the way, how is your Vlad coming along?

 

[HanNorwood]

Completely with you on Elizabeth Bathory. Vlad's antics were an effective war tactic, even if they were gruesome. There was some method behind the madness, even if he got carried away, and ended up taking too much pleasure in the torture. Even then, is he really much worse than other vicious rulers like Ivan IV and byzantine emperor Basil II?

Bathory, on the other hand, was not even a ruler, just a disgusting serial killer, likely one of the worst in history. This is by far the worst leader suggestion I've seen!

By the way, how is your Vlad coming along?

To be honest, I'm still struggling to figure out arms. Plus I've been really busy with the start of school, I haven't had much time to experiment. I feel kinda guilty every time I see the unfinished work on my desktop.

 

[SMcM]

To be honest, I'm still struggling to figure out arms. Plus I've been really busy with the start of school, I haven't had much time to experiment. I feel kinda guilty every time I see the unfinished work on my desktop.

Well, that is completely understandable, you are right to not let this get in the way of school and work.

 

[Lord of War N02]

Romania would be nice, I hope either Vlad IiI, Stefan III of Moldavia and Alexandru Ion Cuza to lead Romania.

 

[SMcM]

Stefan should lead Moldavia not Romania; his kingdom was also in Moldova, Transnistria and Ukraine. Modern Moldova is named after it.

 

[Zaarin]

I know Hunagry and the Huns are not remotely the same, but was Attila not born in the area which is modern Hunagry? And didn't early rulers of Hunagry claim to be descended from him? I for one would like to see Attilla return; as with Vlad, he is a very iconic character.

Eh, that's just Hungarian nationalists. Hungarian nationalists also claim to be descended from the Sumerians.

But I would like to see Hungary in game. Nationalist romanticism aside, Hungary has a fascinating history and culture. But Europe is stocked enough; I can wait for an expansion.