Corruption really needs to be toned down

[Il Mafioso]

Originally posted by kamosa
What I would like to see is corruptions tempered by culture. We need some sort of equation like


corruption = ((distance from palace + unhappy citizens) / government type * culture) - ( courthouse + we love president + other advancements)

Something of the sorts IS going on. I dunno if it's quite that equation but I can tell you one thing:

About 500 years ago I was a democracy and my southernmost and northernmost cities were experiencing corruption and waste at incredibly high levels (11 shields produced 10 to waste in one case, don't remember the other, but similar numbers).

Today, still a democracy, those same cities are helpful contributors to my economy. One has maybe 1 or 2 shields wasted on some 30 produced and the other is the same (though I'm almost sure it has ZERO waste).

My guess is that the majority of folks STILL complaining about corruption are still playing in ancient/middle ages/early industrial time. That, or they're completely disregarding culture and infrastructure in favor of military production.

All I can say is that I hope the vocal ones stop playing Civ2 in Civ3 and start exploring this wonderful new experience Firaxis has crafted for us before too many loud ones convince Firaxis to change Civ3 into Civ 2.5

Alessandro

P.S. Here's a crazy idea for those who don't like the harder Civ3 and prefer Civ2: You can have my copy of Civ2, with manual and fold out tech tree poster.

P.P.S. I think those of us who are making a shift and trying to learn this new game instead of insisting on making it more like Civ2 should start being more vocal about it before voice wins over reason.

 

[kensai]

In my experience corruption has been pretty manageable. My empire covers all of North America on the normal Earth map and I am still producing a lot of gold and production shields. My corruption is at a mere 30% in a Monarchy.

 

[Beam]

Originally posted by Il Mafioso

P.S. I think those of us who are making a shift and trying to learn this new game instead of insisting on making it more like Civ2 should start being more vocal about it before voice wins over reason.

Agree with Il Mafioso. Anyone who switched from I to II must have had a hard time learning to deal with new things killing old strategies. And that is one of my number ones for a great new sequel, core concept still there, but you have to complete rethink your thing.

There are quite some interesting approaches and results in this thread to give the way Sid and his team thoughed it out a try. And if the file hackers wanna go their way, there is a scenario section as well, which I will be more then happy to participate in as well. Yet the original is the way I hope most will go first. And I know I have to CHANGE EVERYTHING in my old strategies. Happy to do so.

 

[Killerdaffy]

I agree:
On the realism side -> I still think it's realistic that before the age of modern telecommunication (late industrial age / early modern) there were simply no good ways to govern HUGE empires. It's not only about distance but also about numbers. If any one bureaucrat can handle only so many files because there are no computers that means the overhead costs, waste, corruption will simply rise exponentially from a certain point.

On the gameply side -> It blocks the early ICS and then hanging out until the end to win. So if you want to fight early on on the other side of the world: deal with the logistics

Amateurs think tactics, professionals think logistics
The russian commander in Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising

 

[nowhere man]

Il Mafioso, I am glad to hear that corruption goes down during the modern age. I really have no problem with corruption in the early stage of the game. I think it makes the game much more intresting, as well as realistic. I just think it is insane we would have the same amount of corruption in the modern age. Look at the country now there is no more corruption in Hawaii than there is in Wasington, DC. I haven't played to the modern age, so hopefully I will find corruption going down. If I play a couple of games, and I find modern corruption a problem I probaly will try to solve it through the editor. But that is one good thing about the editor each person can change the rules to thier liking.