CoS Discussion: Section D/E - Turn Chat Rules

[Cyc]

Works for me as long as the citizen's vote to extend the chat past 10 turns is a justifiable reason. I'll add you addition with 3 turns (instead of 5). Very good work.

 

[zorven]

This is in response to the proposals posted by Cyc and DaveShack.

Section D.1 - Do the prepatory activities need to take place during the chat (including the 10 minutes prior to start time) or do you mean that they can be done off-line?

Section D.2 - What happens if after 10 minutes the DP has not shown and there is nobody present from the CoC? Is the chat cancelled or does it wait indefinetely for someone on the CoC to show up?

Section D.8.a - do you mean "citizen poll" in a generic way or are you specifying a specific type of poll found in CoS Section F (Poll Procedures)? Do we want to specify that this section applies per Congressional votes? And how many turns can the chat be extended for? Your wording seems to say indefinetely.

Section D8.b - Who decides to extend the chat?

 

[Cyc]

@ zorven

D.1 states that the prepatory activities allowable may be done anytime before the Turn Chat starts. It doesn't say they have to be. Yes, this means they can be done off-line if they fall within the allowable parameters.

D.2 The Turn Chat is cancelled.

D.8.a I believe DS wants a poll by ant citizen allowed, and yes, this would be a Standard Forum Poll (valid and binding).

D.8.b The DP may extend the chat if the allowable conditions are met. No one hhas to officially approve it. If the DP extends the Chat without the allowable conditions met, they are likely to recieve a PI.

 

[zorven]

Cyc,

Thanks for answering. Since those points were not clear to me when I read the text, perhaps the text should be more explicit in these areas.

 

[DaveShack]

I previously noticed the problem with D.8.b and edited it to clarify that the DP can decide to extend the play session under these circumstance. How does D.8.a need to be written to make it clear? Not sure if you're even saying it needs to change...

I also thought of something else -- still think the citizens and/or leaders need a way to issue a "stop if/when x happens" instruction. Is that covered somewhere else, or does it belong here?

 

[zorven]

DaveShack,

D8.a - you might want to reword it to the effect that any citizen can initiate a Forum Poll (per CoS section F) to extend a specified chat session by up to X turns.

 

[Cyc]

@ zorven - Done, although D.1 takes care of your concern already.

DS - an entire discussion needs to be held to come up with any and all "Stop at X" contingencies. This legislation can be passed now ans those "X's" can be added later after discussion has been done.

 

[zorven]

Cyc,

My concern with D1 is that it starts out discussing the actual chat and ends with discussing prepatory actions. I then read the prepatory actions text within the context of the actual chat. Therefore I assumed that the prepatory actions were to be done during a chat. I still think that we should take this opportunity to be very clear. Perhaps the text on prepatory actions should be broken out into Section 9 and state that they can be done off-line.

 

[Cyc]

Originally posted by zorven
Cyc,

My concern with D1 is that it starts out discussing the actual chat and ends with discussing prepatory actions. I then read the prepatory actions text within the context of the actual chat. Therefore I assumed that the prepatory actions were to be done during a chat. I still think that we should take this opportunity to be very clear. Perhaps the text on prepatory actions should be broken out into Section 9 and state that they can be done off-line.

zorven, I have read D.1 over and over. This is legislation written by Ravensfire and I find no problem with it. Prepatory actions are items such as build queues that can be done as prep work for the Turn Chat. Therefore these actions should go in the clause talking about the start of the Turn Chat. Because this blurb about prepatory actions sates that it can be done "anytime prior to the Turn Chat, it of course includes any offline time prior to the Turn Chat. Therefore I see no reason to change the wording any more than it has to be.

 

[zorven]

Cyc,

I guess my interpretation comes from the fact that the DP has to be in the chat before the start of the chat and that prep actions can take place before the start of the chat. I read "start" as the scheduled start time. Therefore I could interpret that prep actions need to take place in the chat between the times the DP shows up and the start of the chat.

Why can't we be explicit and add "off-line"?

 

[Cyc]

Done, zorven.

 

[Cyc]

So, as the conversation has died down here, I believe we're finished and everyone is happy (except for DaveShack's "X" factors, which can be added later). I will post a poll tomorrow with the proposal on the previous page, if there are no more directives.

 

[Cyc]

POLL HAS BEEN POSTED! PLEASE VOTE!