COTM34 Second Spoiler

[civ_steve]

COTM 34 - second spoiler

Reading Requirements:

1. Must be able to research an Industrial Age Technology.
2. Contact with all remaining AI.

Posting restrictions

1. No maps showing Industrial or Modern resources.
2. No discussion of Industrial Age (or later).

This was a pretty straight forward continents game. You shared the initial continent with a few other AI; the other main continent had more civs in closer contact with each other. How did things transpire on the 2nd continent? Did they get a lead in research, or did you and your nearby AI keep pace? Did you choose to seek early warfare with the others, or did you build up your local empire first?

 

[TheOverseer714]

I have taken zero notes, and only saved at 1000 AD, so I will probably not submit this one. I am at 1978, researching computers! (I forgot how pathetic the Hittites are, my usual experience is seeing them go down in flames before 1000 AD to an AI before I can even get near them). Waaay behind in tech, only 2 Great Wonders (both captured) and I am cowering under the shadow of Babylon "Compared to these guys, our military is weak!" On the brighter side, I am in a 2nd place, within 100 of Germany I have infantry, tanks and bombers, and stronger than the other 5 survivors...Hmm, should I keep the pitiful Carthaginians on a string or take their wine for myself? I am ashamed of my poor performance at Monarch, still need to enact more tricks found on the strategy page. I guess I should be more dedicated and only play when I can focus more on it, rather than be my normal multi-tasking self.

 

[TheOverseer714]

Like messing with this website on one computer and playing on the other

 

[klarius]

Predator - conquest victory in 490AD

Entered MA in 850BC. Germany got engineering when gifted, which I could trade.
Babylon got feudalism. I could have traded it only with nasty methods and still had the hope they would get the pyramids for me.
So I waited and just researched monotheism.
690BC I met Russians and Dutch. Russians got feudalism also, so I now traded it. I also started my first phony war against Russians.
Research was bee line to navigation, hoping the AI would help with invention and/or chivalry.

450 BC started war with Egypt and golden age. They still don't know Babylon . So I cannot get Babs to join and get their GA.
I meet celts in 330BC and Romans in 270BC.
210 BC we finish navigation. Neither invention nor chivalry in the wild. Research chivalry.
130BC we have chivalry. Still no invention. Stop research to upgrade 3MCs to knights.

130BC Germany beats Babylon to the Pyramids .

110BC Egypt is destroyed. They never got contact with anybody.

I have set my goal on conquest by now and know there is a slight complication. Carthage settled 2 1-tile islands with wine and ivory. It will not be easy to beat these out of them in peace treaties, so I will concentrate on this goal. Still I will also finish the useless Babs.

30AD invention finally showed up and I start a quick push for military tradition.

50AD I took the first Carthage city. I also rearranged wars and diplomacy in this turn giving me a city from Russia and Netherlands and quite a few gpt.

70AD I took the first Babylonian city.

230AD Carthage is willing to part with one of their 1-tile islands. I take it. But now comes the difficult part. The second 1-tiler is their 2nd biggest city at size 3 and has a harbor.
Babylon is down to one city in the meantime, which is just a question of walking over some knights.

By 280AD Babylon is destroyed. They also didn't meet anybody. I restart war with Carthage and start to move in rushed caravels to their other 1-tile island to block all coastal tiles.
I cannot attack any city currently as the next cities in line are their capital and the only other city bigger than size 1.

290AD Military tradition is in. Research stopped.

330AD 1-tile Rusicade is starved down to size 1.

I capture 2 Carthage towns and get Rusicade in peace. Carthage has 2 small towns left, which are a bit out of the way, so will be taken as time permits.
From now on I will play really nasty .

350AD RoP rape on Germany, taking 5 cities.
360AD Start war on Dutch with fresh troops taking the western sea route and a few rushed cavs from Camulodunum (original Celt but got it from Dutch).
370AD Germany destroyed. Camulodunum flips to Celts (at very low odds by now). Start also war with Celts to take it back.

400AD RoP rape Russia for 5 cities.
420AD Russia destroyed

430AD Netherlands destroyed. Most troops are already in Celtic lands. Some troops made it already to a Roman village so we start also war with them.

440AD Take the final 2 Carthage villages. Carthage destroyed.

470AD Celts are destroyed.

480AD the last Roman city is the last foreign city .

490AD Conquest victory.

 

[pimserplink]

While Klarius gets his predator conquest win in 490ad, my open effort barely makes contact with the other continent (neth) in 480ad with a galley that sank before making coast.

After entering MA in 130ad, continued building military. Swords and cats were massing near Thebes, while I garrisoned quite a lot of 3MC with a view to upgrading later. However, I switched to building infrastucture about 300ad when Sun Tzu and Leos were built on the other continent. I was just too far behind in tech still with no contact.

In 550ad Cleo attacked, triggering my GA. Swords became MDI and captured all their continental cities. Peace in 740ad with Egy reduced to an island 1CC. I had no boats in the area and wanted to resume building. All the former Egy territory sw of Thebes now became ICS farmland.

Contact with the other civs came out of the blue in 870ad- William must have sold the contact. Germany died soon after contact with their cities partitioned between all the neighbours. The other continent's civs were peaceful and more or less equal in size and trading soon got quite hot. Within a few turns I had a tech lead acquiring quite a lot of stuff when releasing each tech to 4 or 5 civs at a time.

Wonders: Built Smiths and Copernicus after being beaten to Magellans.

Entered IA in 1230ad with a strong lead in tech and power but still not sure how I'll finish it off.

 

[socralynnek]

Finished that one still in MA.

The war against Egypt and Babylon took longer than I thought and it was long til I got my first leader.
A lot of boats sank before I had met everyone.

Domination victory in 1415 AD.
The Celts and Germans were a littler harder to defeat.
Could have been faster, but with a little luck in the beginning (early leader or early contact), that could have even worked with my strategy much earlier.

 

[Chamnix]

Predator, going for 20K.

Upon entering the Middle Ages, I gifted the only scientific civ I knew (Babylon) up with me and got lucky as they got Monotheism which I could purchase for both Ancient Age government techs.

In 290 BC, I started my first fake war with Babylon and signed in Egypt. Unfortunately, the Egyptians kept their word and it took me far too long to start the attack on Egypt. The only good news was that Babylon sailed a galley around Egypt to drop off a lone bowman for me to kill with a 3MC and start my Golden Age in 30 AD.

I finally met the other continent when a Dutch galley sailed over to our half of the world. Since I actually researched Printing Press (to get to Free Artistry), I could buy contacts. I was well ahead of the other continent in techs. The AI turned out to be pretty useless in helping my research. I reached 4-turn research around Free Artistry by ICSing the southern Egyptian and then the Babylonian lands and turning them into science farms. I maintained 4-turn research throughout the rest of the game.

-430 Cathedral.
30 Start Golden Age.
50 Sistine Chapel.
170 University.
400 JS Bachs.
420 Egypt eliminated.
490 First Great Leader – becomes a knight army.
580 Shakespeare’s.
640 Heroic Epic.
720 Babylon down to their last city – I give them peace so I can get their free tech later.
730 Enter the IA.

 

[denyd]

I thought I had qualified for this one a while ago and started the write up when in the final turn played last night, I get the message Netherlands has destroyed the Russians...what the... there were Russians in this game...so now I quailfy. The entire island is mine with Cleo just a memory and Hammurabi living on a pair of small islands. I've got a 3 tech lead over Germany and 4+ over everyone else. Once Unversal Suffrage is complete, I'll gift up that path. ToE is due in 8 and then I'll start Hoover, owning every wonder from Copernicus' onward and the Pyramids & Sun Tzu (thanks Hammurabi). I plan on one more war to get Germany (as my ally) in to his Golden Age once I get close to the end of the age. Probably use Carthage as the target. I've been in Monarchy for quite a while but once Democracy is discovered, I'll switch to that to help the research rate. The plan is still to go to space, hoping for a 1600 AD launch.

to the great conquest finish by Klarius

 

[civ_steve]

I have set my goal on conquest by now and know there is a slight complication. Carthage settled 2 1-tile islands with wine and ivory.

You appear to have had no real problem going over the 'speed-bump' I placed in the game!

 

[klarius]

You appear to have had no real problem going over the 'speed-bump' I placed in the game!

Well, it did cost some turns .
I didn't betray and attack anybody else they knew, before I got the islands to have as many enemies as possible for Carthage, which seems to make it more likely that they part with cities.
Also all these caravels were pretty useless. When they ended blockade duty, I didn't need boats on this side anymore and had to rush new ships on the other side.

 

[Sykron]

50 - at war with E; GA just ended.
130 - Finally capture Alexandria and the dye
170 - TofA and GL built elsewhere; switch to Great Wall as last resort
210 - Founded Adana on coast NE of Hattusas
260 - Hubishna founded NW of Elephantine
280 - Capture Memphis
290 - Revolt (five turns)
330 - Finally take Thebes but it was bloody; Memphis flips taking 2 TMC with it
340 - Finally switch to monarchy.
390 - Bleeding 16 gpt; research to 90% to save 8
400 - Took Memphis back; build Alacca Huyok
410 - Prebuilding Coloseum in Hattusas to switch to wonder when we get Feudalizm in 3 turns
440 - Capture Pi Ramses
460 - research to 80%
470 - Take Al-Amana
500 - Capture Heliopolis; found Eman on coast E of Hattusas
530 - First leader in last battle of war with E; become Knight army; took Byblos
550 - Let E live as 1CC for Republic; res Theology; start Sun Tzu in Hattusas
560 - Start building a bunch of libraries and marketplaces
580 - Start Forb. Pal. in Thebes
660 - Founded Alalah near Elephantine
830 - Oops. Romans build ST; Celts build CC; get a very expensive univ.
970 - Hattusas producing wealth
1000 - Things are not too good.
21 cities; area 16% (B has 17); pop 20% (Neth has 16); score 784 (749 for B); culture - never mind. Will switch to rep after finishing Forb. Pal. in Thebes. Res Music Theory to get JSB Cath.
1030 - revolution - 5 turns
1080 - Rep at last (3.6.1) +11 gpt
1230 - (2.7.1) Neth. wanders by; trade gems to Neth for gold
1240 - learn Pr. Press; Dem next
1275 - revolution - 5 turns
1300 - Switch to dem.
1310 - Gift Lit. to E; Trade Pr. Press to B for gold; trade Pr. Press to Neth. for Gold and Invention.
1315 - can build muskteers so we must have saltpeter somewhere.
1320 - contact Germans; Trade for contact with Celts and Romans; Trade Romans Iron, Pr. Press and cont. w/B for Chemistry; Trade Carthage Pr. Press for contact with Russia and WM; Trade Celts contact with B, Pr. Press, WM, and 170 gold for Economics; Trade Neth Dem for Metalugy, Physics, and gold; Trade Rome Dem for wines and Milt. Trad.; Trade Celts Dem for Th. of Grav.; trade Rus Pr. Press for 290 gold.

Whew.

This turn gets us back in the game technologically.

1335 - IA begins; going for steam power.

 

[PrinceMyshkin]

Open Domination Victory 810AD

I had entered the MA in 470BC, with a GA producing chariots from many cities and a war with Egypt. I was keeping very good notes, but somehow these got deleted between 470BC and 260AD.
From my memory and the saves, the war with Egypt went very well and Babylon managed to capture one city. I gifted the Babs to the MA, but they would never trade feadualism. I researched mono first looking to trade later. I did not raze and replace since my culture was better, just went for the fast knockout. I had upgraded my regular warriors to swords and produce a few others and these helpled me crack Egypt's two hill cities relatively easy. I waited to capture their size one cities upon growth and meanwhile used RoP to shuffle my troops to the Babylonian isthmus. After two tries and building the GLHouse in 390BC, a galley finally made the crossing from the southeastern tip of Bab's lands and contacted Carthage who were still AA. The other continent had built most AA wonders, but the Babs got the Pyramids in 190BC. Just after the alliance and GA ended I traded peace to Egypt for their one island city and then broke the treaty and captured their remaining two cities, destroying them around 30BC.
War was immediately started with the Babs after I had self researched mono, engineering, and started Invention after contacting Germany, gifting them to the MA and trading for Feudalism.
This is the war situation just before I captured the Pyramids:

My army consisted of 30 tmc's and a few infantry. The rubble on the island was after I abandoned a city the Babs had managed to land near. I shouldn't have researched invention first, since I needed navigation asap, but I wanted Leonardo's. Since nobody ever ventured near the home continent, I could make and break peace with the Babs taking size1 cities in the peace deals; near the end of the war I mass produced settlers and workers to claim more land. The unknown Babs were finally destroyed in 290AD when knights came online. By this time my lone galley had survived the barb boats to circumnavigate the other continent and contacted all other ai's. I established embassies and signed RoP's for gold, but did not trade much tech.

Theology was researched in 270AD; Education in 340AD; Astronomy in 400AD

When Navigation was learned in 470AD and Leonardo's was completed. I traded with everyone but backward Russia and Carthage. This gave me all eight luxes and a nice world map allowing lux-slider to drop to 0% and gave me four-turn research with a surplus gpt. 510AD gunpowder; 550AD chemistry; 590AD metallurgy; and 630AD Military Tradition. I traded peace for an island city and resumed the war next turn outside their territory, destroying Carthage in 560AD. This war also produced my first leader, who became a knight army and Heroic Epic was built in Hattusas

The dom. limit of 1308 tiles I thought was very high for a "standard" map-size, but I was looking to conquer as well as gain territory. I had about 30-40 caravels providing ship-chains east and west and eventually all around the continent. I started war with the Russians in 560AD and the Dutch in 600AD, none of the other ai's even had engineering as they slowly followed me to navigation. Soon after getting cavs both the Russians and Dutch were destroyed in 680AD. I also got two leaders who became cav armies.
The situation in 680AD:


The Romans then declared war taking a city. They only had spears and a few legions but also the Great Wall. After renewing RoP with Germany and the Celts, my armies arrived in Roman lands and they were destoyed in 760AD one turn after also attacking the Celts. I rushed the Pentagon with another leader and the long-range armies destroyed the Celts in 800AD putting me over the dom. limit for an 810AD victory. Firaxis score: 6982. Jason score: 10761.
The final map in 800AD:


Awesome conquest victory, klarius.

I am definitely improving my game by studying your games and other great players here.

 

[Ansar]

Smilee Evolution Spoiler 2:



1. Boring turns in the Middle Ages...
2. My galley survives the sea and finds the Carthagians!
3. Oh cmon! Why is everyone backwards?!
4. Turns out the Celts arent so backwards... (reminds me of SGOTM09).
5. I get Copernicus Observatory AND Sun Tzu's Art of War AND Smith's Trading Factory!
6. Beat up Egypt again, and this time, Babylon helped me.
7. Babylon is gaining strength (seems they have nothing better to do than build swordsmen).
8. Germany declared War on the Celts (ooh, and it seems like now the Celts are beating up the Germans. Bad idea, Germany, bad idea...
9. Entered the Industrial Age in 730 AD.

Hopefully I'll be able to keep peaceful with Hammurabi because I am seriously not ready for swords and bowmen (even though I am now Industrial). Everything seems to be going good and I hope by 1300 AD I can be in the Modern Age.

 

[DBear]

My notes got lost, so going from memory. Crushed Egypt, now taking over Babylon. Made contact w/other continent, they are behind. Carthage is weakest, but has two one-square islands. Entered IA in 1000. Looks like I'm behind compared to other posters, but I'm going for the starship anyway since some of you already have domination.

 

[Sykron]

Can somebody please point me to the instructions for uploaded the finished game?

Thanks.

 

[PaperBeetle]

You have to approach from the direction of http://gotm.civfanatics.net/.
Select "Submit Civ3 GOTM" from the sidebar menu.

 

[Sykron]

You have to approach from the direction of http://gotm.civfanatics.net/.
Select "Submit Civ3 GOTM" from the sidebar menu.

Thank you, PaperBeetle, that was easier than I expected.

 

[ignas]

open going for space
enter MA in 630 BC, trade with Babs and Germany (not me Russians yet) and they both get Engineering, not so good
start my own reseach with few libraries in core cities.
start conquering in around 300BC (declare war on Egypt, choose babylon as allies).Gift all civs to MA so they could start researching Feudalism.
In MA AI researched just one tech - Feudalism, despite the fact that i was gifting many tech them (they even didn't manage to research Astronomy in 16 turns).
Enter IA in 420 AD (Copernicus already built in Hattusas, 6 turns till completion of Newtons), get Steam and Medicine from scientific AI's, start research on Industrialization, i'm making 710 bpt and Industrialization requires 3200 bpt so i hire around 30 citizens as scientists to get it in four turns

 

[Okoewanga]

I don't know when I entered the IA, but I have a save from 750AD. In 750AD I have researched steam power en industrialization and I'm researching electricity.

I still want to get 100,000 and all is still going well. In 750AD there are 32 cities with 255 citizens. I'm doing 223 / turn of which 63 comes from Tarsus