csar508
cartographer
When you build a cottage does the gold replace one resource currently on the tile? This is happening in a game I'm playing now but I have never noticed it before. Does it only happen if you have hammers and bread?
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KMadCandy
giggling permanoob
i don't understand the question. if you build a cottage over a forest, it chops the forest first, so the the hammers from the forest go away. but if you build a cottage on an unimproved tile that doesn't have a forest, it just adds a commerce at first and then grows up over time to a town which = lots of commerce. it doesn't take away anything that's already there (like, you can build a cottage on a silk tile and it keeps the +1 commerce that silk gives you even without a plantation). if you put a cottage on silk that had a plantation on it before, the cottage replaces the plantation, but the town eventually ends up giving you more commerce than the plantation would, if you have a silk source elsewhere so that you don't lose the actual resource. doesn't sound like that's what you're running into tho.
if you can post a screenshot of what's going on in your case that would help.
if you can post a screenshot of what's going on in your case that would help.
The main drawback of building a cottage over a resource is that it won't be connected to your trade network. But this is often useful, for situations when you still don't have the tech for a specific improvement: for example, prior to calendar, you may want to build a farm or cottage over a banana resource and then replace it with a plantation once you have that tech. Even the AI will do this kind of thing. Also notice that, in general, the specific type of improvement required for a resource to be worked yields a lot of food/hammer/commerce output, in this way: Usually, strategic resources yield more hammers, health resources yield more food, and luxury resources more commerce.
csar508
cartographer
Thanks Kmad I think that answers my question. I didn't realize chopping a forest took the hammers away. SO i was building a cottage on a tile with 2 bread, 1 hammer, and forest. I ended up with 2 bread ,1 gold. A farm would have the same outcome? I would lose the hammer and add a bread? If there are 2 hammers you lose them both?
Thanks Kmad I think that answers my question. I didn't realize chopping a forest took the hammers away. SO i was building a cottage on a tile with 2 bread, 1 hammer, and forest. I ended up with 2 bread ,1 gold. A farm would have the same outcome? I would lose the hammer and add a bread? If there are 2 hammers you lose them both?
that's not exactly the way it works.
A forest gives +1 hammer on a tile, and removes the riverside commerce.
If you chop the forest, you lose this 1 hammer bonus, and if the tile is on a river you get the riverside commerce back.
If you then farm the tile, provided there is no special resource on it you get +1 food (before biology, +2 after).
If you then cottage the tile, you get +1 commerce immediately (and growing to +7 commerce for a full grown town, with the right civics and techs).
A tile with 2F and 2 hammers is rare.
It could exist on the fantasy realm (like a deer on a plains forest before building the improvement), but I assume you meant a 1 food 2 hammer tile.
This would be a plains forest.
If you chop the forest, you have a plains : 1F1H if not on a river.
If you then cottage it you have a plains cottage : 1F1H1C to start.
If instead of this you farm it, you have 2F1H. You need fresh water to farm it.
You should read the manual IMHO.
csar508
cartographer
You should read the manual IMHO.
must have missed that part. Havent been playing that long and just discovered the joy of chopping
csar508
cartographer
If you chop the forest, you have a plains : 1F1H if not on a river.
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and if on a river?
KMadCandy
giggling permanoob
being beside a river gives any tile an extra commerce. however, that's not true for forests until quite late in the game, when you can build a lumbermill improvement on them, so forests on rivers are the forests i chop first usually. putting a cottage, farm, or plantation on a forest will remove the forest. putting a camp on deer on a forest does not make the forest go away; those i like to not chop on purpose, so that they produce hammers and the extra food.
anyway, answer to your latest question is, a plains tile has just 1F1H usually. a plains river tile has 1F1H1C. a plains river cottage has 1F1H2C and grows up with more C from there.
this article has a lot of information but it was a bit too overwhelming for me when i was new. at first i learned pretty much hitting by F12 all the time in game, to bring up the civilopedia, and looking everything up. i still do that sometimes, i can't remember the difference between spice and sugar so i look them up in F12 *giggle*.
anyway, answer to your latest question is, a plains tile has just 1F1H usually. a plains river tile has 1F1H1C. a plains river cottage has 1F1H2C and grows up with more C from there.
this article has a lot of information but it was a bit too overwhelming for me when i was new. at first i learned pretty much hitting by F12 all the time in game, to bring up the civilopedia, and looking everything up. i still do that sometimes, i can't remember the difference between spice and sugar so i look them up in F12 *giggle*.
Speaking of forests and late game.. try not to chop them all down. Like K said, you can lumbermill them later, and railroad them for another +1 hammer. But the thing is, forests also give you health...
Riverside Ironworks is a popular way to generate massive numbers of hammers in a city, but my favorite is Forested Riverside Iron where there are lots of watermill areas, maybe some hills and grasslands, and lots of forests around the whole area to lumbermill+railroad later. Forests give your city extra health, and building a city next to fresh water is +2 health. I tend to run into the Happy wall faster than the Health wall, but right around the Industrial age that health wall really starts to hurt, especially if you build factories. I don't even bother with coal plants now, I beeline for hydro/3GD.
Riverside Ironworks is a popular way to generate massive numbers of hammers in a city, but my favorite is Forested Riverside Iron where there are lots of watermill areas, maybe some hills and grasslands, and lots of forests around the whole area to lumbermill+railroad later. Forests give your city extra health, and building a city next to fresh water is +2 health. I tend to run into the Happy wall faster than the Health wall, but right around the Industrial age that health wall really starts to hurt, especially if you build factories. I don't even bother with coal plants now, I beeline for hydro/3GD.
