kenken244
Grammar Nazi
why would you need a granary stopck if when it grows you just get a non working citizen?
Curse of succelus strikes again
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On the same topic, the mines of gal-dur... why 3 iron? I'm not aware of any bonus for having multiple sources of iron, and i personally hate trading luxuries to my allies(i prefer foods, and not brewable ones), much less a military resource.
Also, on a side note, given the nature of dwarves(khazad) shouldn't stone, marble, iron, copper and especially mithril give dwarves a happiness bonus?
Also, on a side note, given the nature of dwarves(khazad) shouldn't stone, marble, iron, copper and especially mithril give dwarves a happiness bonus?
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[NWO]_Valis
A bad kitty!
You answered it your self.
The mod is not done for you and only you. It is a game [removed]. Ppl play to have a challange[and for some other reasons] Your argumentation is strictly personal and cant ever be considered as a valid modify request.
I will quote you a random dwarven song that will answer your side note question:
Kael
Deity
Yeah its just there for trading. Helpful as a player, but also if an AI player builds the mines he will have extra to trade to you.
Stone and Marble are very handy for the Luchuirp. The Khazad get a nice perk from copper, iron and mithril with their Dwarven Smithy. I didnt have either boost happy because in Civ4 higher happy means larger cites. I don't want the dwarves to be populous, I want them to be productive so I tend to grant them hammer bonuses instead of happy bonuses.
[NWO]_Valis;5315852 said:
wow, What was that?
Most wonders provide a more direct valueable boost to the player that builds it, this on the other hand benefits others almost more than you. You incur the cost of building it, you get unhealthiness for building it, then either sit on the 2 iron, or give it your allies/ enemies for a fraction of what its worth cause they never seem to have enough of a positive cash flow(i miss the old civs in that respect, asking for what it was worth instead of what they can afford) All assuming there isn't enough iron to begin with. And now, you've made your allies/enemies that much stronger(unless they already had mithril, which i'm betting it got built before then)
(before someone says it, i know, you don't have to build it, thats not the point)
seems like granting a couple of engineers or something similar might be more useful
fair enough, i was looking for larger cities to make up for the fact that they had so few cities, or else numerous but smaller unhappy cities, because of the dwarven vault mechanic. They don't seem very viable to me with both against them, I wasn't considering the dwarviness of it.
cvlowe
King
For dwarves, you pretty much MUST found RoK.
Then build up the financial lines, build markets/courthouses/moneychangers/etc. Also, the Spire helps too!
By mid-game you can easily be raking in gold faster than you can build settlers to send out. 500 a city isn't so difficult if you just don't sit there looking at it thinking you have to spend it
I always ended up expanding in phases with the Khazad- 4 or 5 cities, build up for a little while, until my income recovered, then pump out 4 or 5 more settlers. The bonus from holding the 500 per city helped a lot with happiness and is definitely worth keeping.
For dwarves, you pretty much MUST found RoK.
Then build up the financial lines, build markets/courthouses/moneychangers/etc. Also, the Spire helps too!
By mid-game you can easily be raking in gold faster than you can build settlers to send out. 500 a city isn't so difficult if you just don't sit there looking at it thinking you have to spend it
I always ended up expanding in phases with the Khazad- 4 or 5 cities, build up for a little while, until my income recovered, then pump out 4 or 5 more settlers. The bonus from holding the 500 per city helped a lot with happiness and is definitely worth keeping.
Well, While these design choices do a good job in capturing the feel of dwarves i have from most of the books i've read, they perhaps do so too well, since i can't really recall a single book where the dwarves are the super power, rather usually they are a secluded, waining race. In my experience, it would seem rightly so...
As i've said before, i'm far from the best player, I've tried what you suggest, and other strategies, most of my games failed horribly, often we me being technologically inferior, or my production boost paling to what everyone else could accomplish with their sheer number of cities, and with most of the usuable locations taken by the time i could field another wave of settlers.
I can admit i am a terrible player, but i wonder how many people might admit they have a far easier time with other races. But then if its about the challenge and not about being fair, or if i'm just much worse than i think, so be it.
Heck though, even the AI seems to fail at khazad in my games.
waiting anxiously for the animal pack addition, so my dream of a vampire gorilla army can finally come to fruition.
cvlowe
King
My big cheat is I like to take a look around the map with worldbuilder on the first turn, if I don't like my spot, I go back and start over...
sixs_monkey
Warlord
I built the mines in my second most recent game because I had been granted enough tech boost from huts that I had a shot at building nearly all the wonders and went for it.
There are two other good aligned civs in that world, so I suppose I could share Iron with them before they find their own, but really I've just been dealing with the unhealthiness and moving on. More engineers would make me (as a solo, perfectionist player) MUCH more happy than a surplus of a tradeable strategic resource.
However, wasn't this thread about the Tomb? I play on Marathon (which has some issue with the lable (as a player I shouldn't see "Game_Speed_Txt_Marathon" or whatever that string name is, I should see the value of the string) ) and I pretty much always have the shoulder room for my new people.
OTOH, I haven't yet at this game speed seen any stack of units in excess of five, and I rarely have more than two defenders for any of my thoroughly built-up cities. Is this to be expected at Marathon speed?
There are two other good aligned civs in that world, so I suppose I could share Iron with them before they find their own, but really I've just been dealing with the unhealthiness and moving on. More engineers would make me (as a solo, perfectionist player) MUCH more happy than a surplus of a tradeable strategic resource.
However, wasn't this thread about the Tomb? I play on Marathon (which has some issue with the lable (as a player I shouldn't see "Game_Speed_Txt_Marathon" or whatever that string name is, I should see the value of the string) ) and I pretty much always have the shoulder room for my new people.
OTOH, I haven't yet at this game speed seen any stack of units in excess of five, and I rarely have more than two defenders for any of my thoroughly built-up cities. Is this to be expected at Marathon speed?
katika
Warlord
I find playing as Khazad easier than others. I usually only have 1-2 cities by the time I found RoK. If my first city has good enough terrain, I'll build my second city after I get RoK so I can use God King's +50% Gold in the Runes Holy City. From there my priorities are commerce (third priority if I have a few of gold, gems, or wine), money (Festivals), military (Bronze Working or Arete if I don't have copper). Once my first cities have temples built I'll build up my money for several turns to improve the vault. Then you pretty much just advance down the melee line filling in whatever else you need. By the time you get hammerfists and trebuchets, you should be able to pump out units in every city in 3 turns or less, so even if you only have 4 cities you can still build a huge army fast and crush the AI.
The Mines are awesome if you don't have copper (Arete is better than Smelting for the cost early on), they can give you a nice military boost (Str 4 warriors), and the engineer points are nice, but it's not always a good choice to build them. Maybe 1 Iron and a production boost would be better, but it has its uses.
My apologies, with the mines of gal-dur i kinda shifted the thread to out of whack(in my oppinion) wonders, but yeah, the dwarven thing was kinda left field.
no idea what to expect on marathon, i 'm still trying to play well on normal. I almost always have full cities, as more population means more production and science and its generally the only way i can seem to keep up with the AI, build a single wonder, and hold off the barbarian hordes.
Well, then its probably going to come down to map settings, cause you guys aren't saying anything i haven't tried(and often with a touch of cheating). generally, the settings i play with, if you don't make a quick grab for some city plots, there will be nothing left to grab, and if you do make the grab, you slow your economy down so badly you get lapped there instead. So perhaps then they are more viable on settings i don't use. But then if i'm right, to have a civ thats only viable in certain situations is kinda silly.(can you say land locked lunan 5 times fast)
kenken244
Grammar Nazi
what if the mines gave 1 iron 1 earth mana and a great engineer upon creation
then it would be vastly overpowered,
I guess it really only needs to give 1 iron, just like the eternal flame...
[NWO]_Valis
A bad kitty!
Giving 3 iron is very nice. A dillema if you should give it away or not to bosten your ally/opponent is very interesting. Having iron for 'free' is very powerful, why shouldn't it have some disadvantages, were it is an advantage if you can use it well.
Look at the case of death mana and that wonder that grants it.
Side note: The eternal flame could grand a fire resistance to units build in the city? I really liked the wonder and would like to see it back, even if it loses the 3 fire mana bonus.
Look at the case of death mana and that wonder that grants it.
Side note: The eternal flame could grand a fire resistance to units build in the city? I really liked the wonder and would like to see it back, even if it loses the 3 fire mana bonus.
Well, you gift to you a would be ally, and then ungift it when you attack them. If they have access to known, it hurts them quickly, sure their first units to fight you have it, but ah well, he won't expect an attack from such a nice ally, MWHAHAHAHHAHAA
cvlowe
King
If thats the case then Ygdrasil would have to be changed too.
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