Darkness Monarch level, attempt #1

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So I decided to try monarch level this time around (sorry Moonsinger, but chieftain seems a little crowded right now ;) ) and after rejecting roughly 100 maps I came up with a nice one. I am playing as the Americans, again :crazyeye: .
As usual, it's a huge pangaea, warm, wet 5 billion years, sedentary barbs and 8 AI's. So I checked mapstat and my domination limit is 3747. Pretty good, but not as huge as the ones superslug and Moonsinger have for their chieftain games.
My start was in the south west corner of the world, and it is all grassland and some plains and it had a river and some wheat in it, so I decided to look around a bit. I sent my worker NW, to work the wheat tile, which left east open for exploration, so the scout went 2 tiles east, uncovering my first GH. And I liked what I saw. Therefor I settled Washington at the start position and went on a 40-turn research gambit for CB (I checked the space race and there are quite a few religious AI's in this game, 3 IIRC, so I figured I'd be able to buy/trade it fast and move on to the next tech, as well as blocking the monarchy path, so increasing my chances for republic pre-requisites from GH's). There are a LOT of bonus tiles near my start, so I think I can get at least 2 settler factories up and running.
The intraturn passed without incident and so I proceeded to pop my first GH.
AND I GOT A SETTLER!!!!! IN 3950 BC!!!!!! :D

I haven't played this game very far yet, only to 3000 BC. I've got 4 scouts (for now) running around and I appear to be on a quite big peninsula, with a huge load of jungle to the north, behind which some AI's better be hidden "cause I haven't met any yet. :(
Both Washington and New York are building granaries right now, to set up settler factories (Washington's nearly finished), so my expansion will start soon.

I don't know how fast this game will go, 'cause RL is pretty busy for me right now, but I'll try to keep you (those that are interested anyway :D ) posted....
 
And here's my map in 3950 BC. Pretty nice, isn't it?
 

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All those food tiles are making me hungry. Yes, pretty good indeed. Good luck!
 
And both starting cities are right on the river too.:) Good luck Darkness! It rarely get any better than this.
 
OK, I just bought myself a new aquarium, so my RL got even more busy than it was. I guess the next update on this game is at least two weeks away... :(
 
I just gave up on this attempt. The start was super, but after that it went downhill...
I had 2 major problems in this game:
1 - No luxuries available for me. The closest was 48 tiles away and that was the only one I could get to before any of the AI's... :(
2 - Bad terrain. Around my great start there was a small (10 tiles around my capital in all directions) area with prime terrain, after that there was only desert/mountains to the north. To the other 3 directions there was the sea, as I was on a peninsula. There also was an insane amount of jungle between me and the closest competitor (the Iroquois).

So I gave up on this one. But I started another attempt...
 
Again, monarch level, with the same map characteristics as my first moarch level attempt. One change though, I'm now playing as the Ottomans.

I started generating maps last night and after only 3 tries I came up with the one I'm playing now. I'm approaching 1000BC and I think I'm doing quite well. I'm not expanding as fast as I want to, but that's because the start is good, but not super, like my first attempt.
I've attached the start below, and before you all start asking why I'm playing such a (slightly above) average start, I'll explain...
The Domination limit for this map is 3949 tiles! :) :D
That's the highest I've ever seen in my games... :D
And it took me only three tries to get this map.... :D

My start:
 

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Well, the start was definately not perfect, 'cause I only have 16 towns in 1000 BC with 4 settlers en route...
I am first in score already (of the known world that is) with 305 points. I am really missing my expansionists' scouts, 'cause I still haven't met 3 of the AI's. I've already got a tech lead, with Republic being reserached right now (20 or so turns remaining).
My problem is again luxuries, 'cause I've got one hooked up, but that's all I'm going to get without a fight. Fortunately for me, my nearest neighbours are technologically backward and they have 3 luxuries... :evil:
I expect my expansion to really take of from now on because I finished the Pyramids this turn. :D

@wohmongarinf00l: I don't usually get them this big either. The highest I have had in my games, before this one, is 3740 or something like that, so in this game I've got around 200 extra tiles to play with. :)
 
Hopefully snagging a luxury and having the Pyramids will give your game some nice kick. Personally, I'm still not convinced that 3900+ tile maps are worth the effort given they seem to give crappy starting locations. Then again, maybe we're just not doing the ctrl-shift-q enough.
 
I'm not convinced either, but I saw a grassland start with a cow and a river, and then I saw the 3949 tile domination limit and I just figured I'd give it a try...
 
I don't blame you, it's a great starting location. I just get really picky, I don't usually roll with something unless I see bonus grassland tiles, a river, food and a luxury. That's one of the reasons I don't really have a game in progress right now, I'm trying to find a map with that location around 4000 tiles. Needless to say it's taking a while.

Of course Conquests is right around the corner, and if until Aeson clears it as legal, I'll likely drop out of the HOF fun for a while and see what changes were made to it after I dropped out of the beta testing.
 
So in 10 AD I had only 66 cities and some settlers running around.
I'm in a republican government, researching theology (2 turns remaining)
I don't think this is going to be a very good game but I'll keep playing it anyway. I'm still on only one luxury, which hurts my ability to research, so I'll have to take out the Celts (who have 3 luxuries) soon, but I'll wait for my Sipahi to come around I think. I'm going for education (universities) and then straight to military tradition.
Rome just extorted me for currency. I had no choice but giving in as my military still consists of 6 warriors... :D
After I get my universities online I'll start mass producing horseman, followed by a mass upgrade to Sipahi's (I've got invention and I'm getting Leo's in 11 turns, IIRC).

There's one GH still around near my territory, but I'm afraid to pop it as there are no military units near and there could be barbarians in the hut, ready to decimate my workforce.

My score is now 897 points, up 24 from last turn.

My guess is I'll make the HoF on monarch level with this game, but it won't be a top score because I'm seriously lacking luxuries in this game...
 
one thing i have found that works great if u intend to do ur own research and u can't guarantee the availability of luxuries is to build library/marketplace/bank/university in that order so that maintenance costs and science spending are taken care of from domestic revenue.
 
Yes that generally works. Only I plan to bee-line for military tradition after education, so i won't get banking until later. So, regrettably that strategy won't work in this game... :(
 
Well, the very obviuos lack of luxuries has forced me to abandon this game. :(
But I started a new one. I'll let you know how it goes after I've played it some more...
 
Originally posted by Alone
How do you know what is your domination limit?:confused:
The wonderful Mapstat program! It's legal to use to check your domination limit of a map at 4000bc, provided that you do not use the scroll menu on it to find out who the opponents are. Only look at the your domination limit...
 
Actually, if you press F10 and look at the space race, you can learn who your opponents are in 4000BC without using mapstat...
 
Thanks for the tips:)
One more thing (and will not bodering you anymore), how do you guys snapshott this screanshot from game?

Maybe I will try soon to menage something in warlord, tiny map...:crazyeye:
 
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