Deceitful AI: From Annoyed to Polite Just before Attack

[Pounder]

I am playng on emperor, started with 8 civs.

There is just me (the Incas) and the Greeks left in the game.

The Greeks are furious with me for some unknown reason and I am not quite ready to go to war with them, so I give them a gift of 5 gpt and their attitude changes to annoyed. I contact them every turn to trade maps and such.

Then their attitude changes from annoyed to polite for no reason, the next turn they sneak attack. The AI seems is trying to be deceitful.

 

[mikehunt]

in my current game of RaR the chinese had been on decent terms with me for a very long time. we even had an alliance for a while against korea. one turn they contact me and wanted something. I made a gpt deal with them instead for one of the extra luxuries I had. they were polite at the beginning and end of our contact. next turn they sign an alliance against me. at this point in the game my military was fairly well built up and I had territory on both sides of them and I had ships capable of dealing out a lot of bombardment damage including lethal land bombardment and most of their cities were coastal.
they didn't last long.
that's what they get for betraying me like that. I often make piece and re-declare war within 5-10 turns, but never the turn after making a gpt deal

 

[Norsk_Viking]

this has happened to me as well, i was persians, and the chinese were gracios, but after i started trade of aluminum, and 5gpt, they became furious

 

[thetrooper]

this has happened to me as well, i was persians, and the chinese were gracios, but after i started trade of aluminum, and 5gpt, they became furious

There is no logic in that

 

[Breunor]

Check your diplomatic status. Your relation wiht the AI is MUCH better if you have an active alliance, and sometimes a trade in motion. Once the alliance is over, it changes fast.

Also, things can change quiclkly, I think, if they go to war with somebody else.

Breunor

 

[Theoden]

Something that might cause some of these big changes is power rankings. If you are more powerful than the AI then all positive things for attitude is halved. Going from being more powerful to less powerful or opposite can cause changes like that.
At least I can assure that AI's never usa attitude for the purpose of tricking the human player. Their attitude always mean what they think about. It is just in the AI's nature to declare war at the strangest of times, so sometimes if the AI is lucky it may seem like a smart tactic, even though it isn't.

 

[Jaybe]

When an AI, whatever the attitude, joins an alliance against you it generally means they were bribed into it. Same mechanic as when YOU do it against an enemy.

 

[Pounder]

Something that might cause some of these big changes is power rankings. If you are more powerful than the AI then all positive things for attitude is halved. Going from being more powerful to less powerful or opposite can cause changes like that.
At least I can assure that AI's never usa attitude for the purpose of tricking the human player. Their attitude always mean what they think about. It is just in the AI's nature to declare war at the strangest of times, so sometimes if the AI is lucky it may seem like a smart tactic, even though it isn't.

This is a possibility, I may have built or upgraded some units that may have placed me in a power ranking that was threatening to the AI.

On the other hand I had no alliances nor did the AI because there are omly the two of us left in the game.

Would the AI change from annoyed to polite because I became more powerful and more of a threat.

 

[steviejay]

from experience I've found that when it gets down to it, when it's jsut you and 1 AI left they'll tend to declare on you within a few turns, no matter what their feelings are towards you, but I don't know if that is the case here

 

[Theoden]

Would the AI change from annoyed to polite because I became more powerful and more of a threat.

A step from polite to annoyed is definately possible if when power rankings change. Assuming they were changing from slightly polite to slightly annoyed, the number of 'attitude points' required to change it isn't very much.

 

[Norsk_Viking]

Something that might cause some of these big changes is power rankings. If you are more powerful than the AI then all positive things for attitude is halved. Going from being more powerful to less powerful or opposite can cause changes like that.
At least I can assure that AI's never usa attitude for the purpose of tricking the human player. Their attitude always mean what they think about. It is just in the AI's nature to declare war at the strangest of times, so sometimes if the AI is lucky it may seem like a smart tactic, even though it isn't.

well i was killing off thire allies, and i had oober gold so thats probably why

 

[Pounder]

A step from polite to annoyed is definately possible if when power rankings change. Assuming they were changing from slightly polite to slightly annoyed, the number of 'attitude points' required to change it isn't very much.

I am saying that they went to polite just before the attack. I guess it is the same difference though when it comes to power rankings.

from experience I've found that when it gets down to it, when it's jsut you and 1 AI left they'll tend to declare on you within a few turns, no matter what their feelings are towards you, but I don't know if that is the case here

I think I have seen this alot as well, but I never really noticed their attitude changing to the positive just before the attack.

 

[Norsk_Viking]

this is a pretty wierd thing, but i see thoden and steviejay's points

 

[steviejay]

this is a pretty wierd thing, but i see thoden and steviejay's points

really?? wow, could you maybe talk to my girlfriend cause no matter how hard I try she's still having problems with that

I'm trying to think of a specific example where the AI declares on you if it's just you and him left. an old Emperor game of mine had Ghandi nuking my ass when I wiped out the third civ. I got hefty annoyed at that.

what really annoys me is when they invade your territory when you're not at war yet, but you know it's coming and when you go to complain they're all happy and talking about how they're your friend. "yeah, if we're friends get your dirty troops off my front lawn!"

 

[Rwedgie]

Well, this is my first post but this happened to me last night so I thought I'd share...

Cruising along to either conquest or domination victory, five useless civs remain and I guessed (later wished I had checked) was the same military strength as me. I was allied with the powerful one. It was late industrial age, and I was getting ready to make landings on two continents when I get the message that the koreans had MA against me with the mayans. Since I was at war with the rest of the civs I was fighting everyone now.

Before my turn even started Korea had landed a crapload of M.I. and Tanks on my shores, sunk three full air craft carriers, two destroyers, a battleship, and bombed the hell out of my land based bombers.

Needless to say I was unimpressed . Ohhh. and after we were at war I checked, and my military was weak compared to the koreans. Managed to protect my continent but before I could launch any kind of meaningful counter-attack I won through retirement.

Oh. And they were polite right before they attacked.. the jerks