Defeated within 5 or 6 turns, why?!

[zeeter]

For recording on a VCR - it's only illegal if you make a profit from its sale. TV shows would, in fact, profit from giving the shows away to neighbors and friends because the viewers would be more likely to watch the show in the future. Even though it is technically illegal, giving away a show like Sopranos (because it is subscription only) is likely not too shunned, either. The reason is that after one season of waiting for my co-worker to bring the tape in for me on Monday I decided to just get HBO. Who wins? HBO in this case.

A video game is completely different. There is no subscription - once you get it, you've got it.

 

[armchairknight]

For recording on a VCR - it's only illegal if you make a profit from its sale. TV shows would, in fact, profit from giving the shows away to neighbors and friends because the viewers would be more likely to watch the show in the future. Even though it is technically illegal, giving away a show like Sopranos (because it is subscription only) is likely not too shunned, either. The reason is that after one season of waiting for my co-worker to bring the tape in for me on Monday I decided to just get HBO. Who wins? HBO in this case.

A video game is completely different. There is no subscription - once you get it, you've got it.

Thank you, zeeter, I didn't think it was illegal, but I'm not well informed here. I've never taped for others. Just myself.

 

[Reignking]

He screwed w/ the game, it doesn't work now, and he's complaining. Tough.

 

[Gumbolt]

If only the two could just share the pc with civ 4 on. Perhaps he should try the remove option on windows (morals?) and ease his conscience by buying another copy of game. It only cost 18 quid for me in uk on release. Thats 2 hours work and maybe a seventh turn

If worst comes to worst beg plead and borrow from parents. Oh well christmas in 7 months if that fails.

 

[King Flevance]

Again, I'm not recommending that anyone act on this- but one generally needs two copies of the game in order for two people in the same household to play againste each other on a LAN system. If the OP is using a hack in order to play against his relative while only purchasing one copy of the game, that is against the license and shows potential financial loss. The 'family' pre-requisite does not apply to intellectual property piracy in general- it applies to the contract by which television media generally operates. That is quite different from software license contracts- two are quite different- and that was all I was trying to tell you with the first post. You're assuming similartiy where there is none.

This part here is the big one. Under the license I noticed before that a copy of civ that you purchase (as well as many other games nowadays) are licensed to you to use only on 1 machine at a time. And by only one user.(purchaser) I break this law as I see it as nothing more than pettiness. Anyone at my house is welcome to play it so long as I dont need this computer it is installed on. ANd when I upgrade my other computer, this same copy will be installed on it because I already purchased the game.

As for 2 people playing over a LAN.. nvm I wont go into that.

 

[vilemerchant]

Because in the case of the TV show you have purchased the media in question through your subscription to the TV programming. In the case of the disc, no purchase has been made by the poster. There are important differences in the contract set up by the owners of each type of media.


Because that is one of those differences in the contract. Cable subscriptions apply to a 'household' where cable is allowed to be dispensed; and 'household' implies 'family' in most states. Software licenses are generally specific to an individual or even a single computer. Cable is meant to be consumed by more than one person in a home. Computer games are usually not, unless stated otherwise. Read your license agreements for both kinds of media.

Again, I'm not recommending that anyone act on this- but one generally needs two copies of the game in order for two people in the same household to play againste each other on a LAN system. If the OP is using a hack in order to play against his relative while only purchasing one copy of the game, that is against the license and shows potential financial loss. The 'family' pre-requisite does not apply to intellectual property piracy in general- it applies to the contract by which television media generally operates. That is quite different from software license contracts- two are quite different- and that was all I was trying to tell you with the first post. You're assuming similartiy where there is none.

sorry but i've never signed any contracts or agreements or paid any money to watch tv. I just turn it on and there it is. Cable subscription services may well have their own End User Agreements they pass on to consumers, but it's really irrelevant as most often they are not the copyright holder, they are the broadcaster. You're going off on a bit of an irrelevant tangent here IMO.

Cable is meant to be consumed by more than one person in a home. Computer games are usually not, unless stated otherwise. Read your license agreements for both kinds of media.

There is a difference between 'consuming' your cable TV shows and producing taped copies of said shows for future use. If you have a copy of copyrighted material and you were not authorized to make that copy, technically, you are a copyright infringer. For example, MTV might play the latest britney spears video. MTV are not the copyright owners of britney spears and neither is your cable company. Under the law, you cannot tape it and own it just becase of some irrelevant contract with a 3rd party.

I stand by my argument that those without sin should cast the first stone. If you've never made a tape of something on TV, if you never copied one of your friends records onto a casette when you were 13 or anything else that breaches copyright to that effect maybe you have the right to jump on the bandwagon and blast this kid for wanting to try out a computer game..

 

[vilemerchant]

Come on, vilemerchant, let's hear it... you can say it... come on...

Uncle Bob, is that you?

 

[King Flevance]

sorry but i've never signed any contracts or agreements or paid any money to watch tv. I just turn it on and there it is. Cable subscription services may well have their own End User Agreements they pass on to consumers, but it's really irrelevant as most often they are not the copyright holder, they are the broadcaster. You're going off on a bit of an irrelevant tangent here IMO.

Actually, when the cable technician comes to your house and hooks you up, he has you "sign here, and here, and initial here." This is a contract your signing, not an autograph.

 

[vilemerchant]

Actually, when the cable technician comes to your house and hooks you up, he has you "sign here, and here, and initial here." This is a contract your signing, not an autograph.

I'm signing what? where i'm from there are no cables, TV signals fly about thru the air, it's kinda like magic. Maybe you've heard about it?

 

[rilke]

I stand by my argument that those without sin should cast the first stone. If you've never made a tape of something on TV, if you never copied one of your friends records onto a casette when you were 13 or anything else that breaches copyright to that effect maybe you have the right to jump on the bandwagon and blast this kid for wanting to try out a computer game..

I second that. Thanks for not being a freak.

 

[armchairknight]

Uncle Bob, is that you?

How'd you guess?

 

[armchairknight]

I stand by my argument that those without sin should cast the first stone. If you've never made a tape of something on TV, if you never copied one of your friends records onto a casette when you were 13 or anything else that breaches copyright to that effect maybe you have the right to jump on the bandwagon and blast this kid for wanting to try out a computer game..

But, vilemerchant, haven't you been casting stones here?

 

[King Flevance]

I'm signing what? where i'm from there are no cables, TV signals fly about thru the air, it's kinda like magic. Maybe you've heard about it?

Well, then your ok by that rule then. Not a thief, just a mooch.

I stand by my argument that those without sin should cast the first stone. If you've never made a tape of something on TV, if you never copied one of your friends records onto a casette when you were 13 or anything else that breaches copyright to that effect maybe you have the right to jump on the bandwagon and blast this kid for wanting to try out a computer game..

I agree this thread went way harsh on the little guy. But he came to a fansite discussing pirated ware. Did he think people were going to applaud his arrival? People not buying the game authentically are a minority BECAUSE there are people that support the company's side. Otherwise we would all pirate the games, there would be no money in the business, and then there would be no games.

I know thats a bit off the deep end and at the other end of the spectrum but that doesnt justify the opposing arguement either. Just because the "man" is making enough money doesn't mean its ok to steal now. I can't stand T2 with a passion. I would like to kick the person overseeing Civ 4 in the nuts personally. However, I am not going to steal his game. I will simply not buy it, not play it and not miss it, when the XP comes out.

Last week or the week before I saw alot of 10 turns game over posts. this guy caught the tail end of it because they pirate the software and then come into a fan site and say "help me rip off this company". LOL. It isnt exactly a brilliant move. I understand he didn't realize and I sympathize but it seems to me you took more offense than he did.

 

[vilemerchant]

But, vilemerchant, haven't you been casting stones here?

More like pushing boulders

 

[rilke]

Last week or the week before I saw alot of 10 turns game over posts. this guy caught the tail end of it because they pirate the software and then come into a fan site and say "help me rip off this company".

OK, I guess no one knows for sure, but I'm curious... Does it only happen to people who have pirated the game? Or does it occur to some random people? Is it related to the new patch?

 

[King Flevance]

OK, I guess no one knows for sure, but I'm curious... Does it only happen to people who have pirated the game? Or does it occur to some random people? Is it related to the new patch?

I never got into discussion about it myself as I was too busy navigating through a couple other concerns of my own but it seems like the 1.61 patch addressed some "common crack" that is going around. Out of the ones I saw, they were all illegal.

Not to mention once I saw pirated come up I got a little cautious about my replies like now even. I am involved in a few things right now on the boards and dont want a strike or anything like that from a mod. So I have been avoiding the topic seeing some of them lead to this same type of convo. Today, I am bored. I think the mods are watching this thread right now but it hasnt gotten to a bad point yet as no one is saying that the 'P' word is good. Then again maybe I am paranoid. But I have seen mods pop in and say "Everyone in here has recieved a strike" or something like that and closed the thread. ALthough, I didnt notice any of that in the previous threads concerning this.

 

[Palantir30]

sorry but i've never signed any contracts or agreements or paid any money to watch tv.
There is a difference between 'consuming' your cable TV shows and producing taped copies of said shows for future use. If you have a copy of copyrighted material and you were not authorized to make that copy, technically, you are a copyright infringer. For example, MTV might play the latest britney spears video. MTV are not the copyright owners of britney spears and neither is your cable company. Under the law, you cannot tape it and own it just becase of some irrelevant contract with a 3rd party.

I'm sorry but you're simply misinformed on all of these counts. There are degrees of ownership applicable to all of these clauses above.

I stand by my argument that those without sin should cast the first stone. If you've never made a tape of something on TV, if you never copied one of your friends records onto a casette when you were 13 or anything else that breaches copyright to that effect maybe you have the right to jump on the bandwagon and blast this kid for wanting to try out a computer game..

This is likewise meaningless. I could tell you that this is called an "ad- hominem tu quoque" logical fallacy and explain just why you're out on an unsupported limb; but based on your stubborness, I conclude that you don't care. Have fun, and please continue believing whatever you'd like to believe, facts nonwithstanding.

 

[Armorydave]

I work on the business side, not the legal side, but my understanding is that Palanitir30 is correct.

 

[rilke]

Not to mention once I saw pirated come up I got a little cautious about my replies like now even. I am involved in a few things right now on the boards and dont want a strike or anything like that from a mod. So I have been avoiding the topic seeing some of them lead to this same type of convo. Today, I am bored. I think the mods are watching this thread right now but it hasnt gotten to a bad point yet as no one is saying that the 'P' word is good. Then again maybe I am paranoid. But I have seen mods pop in and say "Everyone in here has recieved a strike" or something like that and closed the thread. ALthough, I didnt notice any of that in the previous threads concerning this.

Yeah, you gotta tread softly around these things, the rules are very strict. Have to be, I guess. It's kind of interesting that Firaxis did that, though.
Valve pulled a fairly nice stunt with Halflife 2 back in the day. The nice little issue that Firaxis have built into the game now seems very discreet and kind by comparison... I wonder what they will do next!

 

[BomberEscort]

Hello,

Whenever I start a new game, I'm always defeated within 5 or 6 turns. At first it was another Civilization beating me by Time Victory, so I turned it off, but I still get defeated. I've installed the latest patch and everything, but it still happens.

Has this happened to anyone else?
I have yet to get past 6 turns! So frustrating.

This is not the file you are looking for (waves hand in a star wars fashion). Seek and you shall find it under the rock you once looked. Bless you my son! (BomberEscort 3:16)

For the record I do not support pirating, cracking, hacking, phreaking, elitism, or any 'ism for that matter. I believe the children our our future, I believe if you don't eat your meat you won't get any puttin', I believe in a secure border for America and the abolishment of blue laws, Texas "wine-er-itas", and the end of the welfare state as we know it. Thank you Firaxis for making such a wonderful game, and I look forward to BUYING the XP. Bless you my sons... now go forth and multiply.