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[Thor Macklin]

*hits self*
Sorry, I often get the the Magyar Origins and the Bulgar origins confused.

@counttony
Austria -The should be added.
Austria-Hungary - No, the so-called 'union' between austria and hungary showed
the two countries at their weakest, and the wars caused by this union led by some
of the worst leaders in history butchered both countries.
Byzantines - As I have said, just as justinian or constantine as roman leaders.
Monghul Empire - Mongol? or Moghul? Mongols will be in the game this monday.
As for the moghuls just add one of their leaders to india.
Dutch
Portagese
Sweden - I DO want to see this ingame, but I'd rather just see a Swedish leader
for a nordic civilization then to have a whole 'nother civ.
Mali -..... Why? I can understand the need for more african countries. But since
we already have the songhai, which has an aura of ownage to it. Why add a civilization
that practically overlaps?

 

[Dudu42]

Ok about huns, they were important but too brief.

But about the list: I think Poland should give place to Austria.
Also, Dutch is a must have.

 

[Willdabeast]

Zulu, Korea, maybe Poland and/or Celts, and maybe another Native North American nation.
Maybe one of the southwest nations-- that would be much different aesthetically compared to Aztecs or Iroquois.

 

[Thor Macklin]

The Celts, without a doubt.

 

[zimmah]

I still miss Assyria.

and i would also like to see the Dutch empire and maybe some native americans.


btw, why do so much people request poland? what has poland ever done? ever?

 

[Thor Macklin]

I still miss Assyria.

and i would also like to see the Dutch empire and maybe some native americans.


btw, why do so much people request poland? what has poland ever done? ever?

.... Poland created one of the largest civilizations in europe ever, was
the only country (besides mongolia) that was able to capture and HOLD ONTO
Moscow. It is a major representative of eastern slavs, and has been a major
military power throught it's extensive history.

Now, let's see what the native americans have done (no offense
to native americans themselves but if someone is going to bash poland but
still suggest that more native americans should be added needs to be straightened
out.)

They died off from plague which they had no idea how to cure.

Lost their land to Invaders even though they had access to weapons.

Were too divided to ever bcome a major threat.

Never established a massive empire in America that was known for massive wealth
and power.

And now exist on small reserves.


No even though I am mostly native american, I see little point in adding more of them.

 

[Winged Hussar]

btw, why do so much people request poland? what has poland ever done? ever?

Why ask? Why not look that up yourself? ...aren't all (even casual) civ gamers fascinated by history?

...but here you go: (sheesh!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OoSdnebLxw

 

[Thor Macklin]

(XD, I'm both. Mostly scandinavian, but back on topic.)

I strongly suggest Hungary or Austria, preferably Hungary, as
the south germanic people can be easily by Germany. And for
most of it's history, Austria has generally been part of the
German Holy Roman Empire. And by adding hungary we add
a country that, for most of it's history, has been a major
player in europe, battling both the ottomans to it's end AND
the holy roman empire.

 

[IgorS]

It is a major representative of eastern slavs, and has been a major
military power throught it's extensive history.

Actually, the Poles are WESTERN Slavs, like the Czechs and Slovaks. Eastern Slavs are the Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians. There are also, of course, Southern Slavs: Bulgarians and the nations of former Yugoslavia.

And back on topic, we have a list of most wanted civs, but what about most wanted leaders for those civs?

 

[Dudu42]

Now, let's see what the native americans have done (no offense
to native americans themselves but if someone is going to bash poland but
still suggest that more native americans should be added needs to be straightened
out.)

They died off from plague which they had no idea how to cure.

Lost their land to Invaders even though they had access to weapons.

Were too divided to ever bcome a major threat.

Never established a massive empire in America that was known for massive wealth
and power.

And now exist on small reserves.


No even though I am mostly native american, I see little point in adding more of them.

Aztecs created the chocolate, Maya created the number zero (fundamental in mathematics, believe it or not). Both of them pratically created corn, considering the mayze we eat today is substantially different from untouched species.

Those guys got owned by europeans (and mainly their diseases), sure. They also got owned by their own corruption and bad usage of land. But at their sumit, those civilizations were much more developed then any european one.

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But I think you're talking about Iroquois. Hell, I dont know what those guys did...


IF you're including Mayas and Incas as native americans (and they are), then I still think they should come first. Poland later, or maybe not even come.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

Maya created the number zero (fundamental in mathematics, believe it or not).

They did? I was always told that the number zero (in use a long time before the discovery of Ameica) was invented by those other Indians, the ones in India.

 

[Dudu42]

Mayans and Aztecs are mesoamericans, not Native Americans

Hmmm

But they are natives from America continent, right?


Anyway, I think Iroquois are enough for representing North America. Lakota, Sioux and et cetera are excessive.


About the list, how its going so far?

Spain
Norse
Inca
Poland or Austria or both
Phoenician or Carthagian or both (my vote goes for Phoenician)

Anyone else?

 

[IgorS]

Mayans and Aztecs are mesoamericans, not Native Americans

Mayans and Aztecs are native Americans - they are natives of America after all. We are simply used to the fact, that when people say "Native Americans" they usually mean those from the US and Canada.

Anyway, lets start discussing the most wanted civs more in depth.

First up are Spain!
Leader: Isabella
UU: Conquistador (replaces lancer)
UB: Plaza de Toros (replaces colosseum)

Poland!
Leader: Jan Sobieski
UU1: Husarz (replaces lancer)
UU2: Ułan (replaces cavalry)

Maya States!
Leader: Pacal
UU: Holkan (replaces spearman)
UB: Ball Court (replaces colosseum)

Tawantinsuyu!
Leader: Pachacuti
UU: Macana (replaces spearman)
UB: Terrace (replaces watermill)

Norseland!
Leader: Canute
UU: Berserker (replaces longswordsman)
UU2: Longship (replaces caravel)

Zululand!
Leader: Shaka
UU: Impi (replaces pikeman)
UB: Ikhanda (replaces barracks)

Celtia!
Leader: Vercingetorix
UU: Gallic Swordsman (replaces swordsman)
UB: Dun (replaces walls)

What do you think about these suggestions? And also, what do you think the UAs of these civs should be?

 

[Thor Macklin]

(ack, *hits self* I meant to say western slavs, still get constantly mixed up with
east and west for some pathetic reason.)

Changed 2 leaders and added what I think should be the UA.

Leader:Phillip II
UU: Conquistador (replaces lancer)
UB: Plaza de Toros (replaces colosseum)
UA: The Church (Unlocks Piety)

Poland!
Leader: Casimer I
UU1: Husarz (replaces lancer)
UU2: Ułan (replaces cavalry)
UA: The Commonwealth (No loss of happiness for conquered cities.)

Norseland!
Leader: Canute
UU: Berserker (replaces longswordsman)
UU2: Longship (replaces caravel)
UA:Viking Raiders (Gain 2 gold for every unit killed, on land and on sea.)

Zululand!
Leader: Shaka
UU: Impi (replaces pikeman)
UB: Ikhanda (replaces barracks)
UA: Colonial Resistance (10% combat Advantage against all renessaince,industrial, and modern units.)

Celtia!
Leader: Vercingetorix
UU: Gallic Swordsman (replaces swordsman)
UB: Dun (replaces walls)
UA: Widespread People (Settler Production Halfed.)

thoughts on my choices?

 

[IgorS]

UA: The Church (Unlocks Piety)

I don't really understand this suggestion. Could you explain more?

 

[MRM]

Wouldn't that be some kind of disadvantage ? Maybe you want use rationalism - unlocking a social police that don't exclude an other might be a nice idea however.

 

[IgorS]

not unlocked, but so you could unlock it from the start of.

So you don't have to research anything to get it? I don't like it, then. I think there should be something else. Maybe "Reconquista" - an ability that gives Spanish units an advantage when trying to liberate their own cities?

 

[MRM]

Or a huge bonus for conquering cities with gold or silver tiles ? ( maybe a balanced income + attack bonus )

 

[black213]

I would like to see Nubia with a gold and trading based trait.

 

[Winged Hussar]

As for the leader of Poland, I also think it should be John III Sobieski.

Because of that little episode at Vienna, he became the most famous Polish ruler outside of Poland. Don't get me wrong, crushing the Turks at Vienna was perhaps one of the most important battles in world history (no exaggeration), there were many kings who did more for Poland. When it comes to the outside world, Sobieski is THE quintessential Polish leader.

As a Pole, I'm partial towards Casimir the Great, but I understand the Polish leader must fit with the established "norm" of the game.

Plus, I guess Sobieski works well with the winged hussars as the UU.

Also, agree that the 2nd UU should be the Ulan.

...and what ever happened to the Copernicus Observatory wonder?