Depudy Govenors

[Almightyjosh]

A message from the Senate

As anyone reading the judiciary thread is now PAINFULLY aware, the Code of Laws prohibits the Governor from having a depudy. If I may say, before entering into reasoned debate, that this is a downright stupid law.

We have seen through history that Governors are just as likely to go AWOL as any other official, in fact often more so. The fact that there is no ready backup to assume command has meant that build queues have often gone untended for long periods of time. This is both unacceptable and unnessisary. There is no need to continue the distinction between department leaders and governors on this issue.

In addition to the obvious benefits, there are a number of other positives. First, it would get more people involved in government. It would also mean that running for governor was not an all or nothing affair. The Province would also have a chat rep on hand.

As you may know, I am currently attempting to appoint an Acting Governor in Waiting that can be redily appointed by myself to replace me if I take a notified absence. For some reason this is coming under attack, though I am not sure how I am supposed to appoint an acting governor (waiting) exept when I am still here.

It is clear that we need a change of law. As I was not present when the original law was passed, I have no conception of why this is even in our law. However, regardless of what misguided resoning lay behind it, there is no reason to continue this 'tradition'.

As the Governor of Bohemia, and a gov of some experience, I would call upon all Fanatikans to speak on this pressing issue.

 

[Shaitan]

Hear, hear! Give governors some real backup!

I am 100% behind a deputy governor position (and have been for quite a long time).

Just to preadress the most common naysayers' arguments:

There aren't enough people for all of the positions. If we make another government position our talent pool will be even further diluted.
Hogwash. If there aren't enough people for the positions the deputy positions are going to be the ones to go unfilled. Allowing deputy governors will not dilute the talent pool one iota.

Deputy governors aren't really needed. The Domestic Leader can take over governor duties if the governor disappears. As we saw over and over again in the first game and in the beginning of this one, this is not an ideal situation and does not work at all well. What WILL work is a deputy governor position.

 

[Chieftess]

I voice my support too! Redoing build queues for 30+ cities isn't exactly the most fun thing in the world.

 

[Eklektikos]

I give my unqualified support to the introduction of Deputy Governors.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

I'd like to see this happen as well.

Clearly there is a need, and the precedent is already set in the other leadership departments. Let's bring in Deputy Governors!

(although, I would prefer to avoid "depudy" governors myself. ;-)

 

[Cyc]

As I have stated before in other posts, I too support this measure. Although I would prefer that the "deputy" positions were appointed by the Governors soon after the election, not given to the second place candidate.

 

[GenMarshall]

I support the idea of a Deputy Govenor.

orriginaly posted by Stuck_as_a_mac
(although, I would prefer to avoid "depudy" governors myself. ;-)

We can call them Lt. Govenors insted .

 

[Octavian X]

I shall follow suite, and support deputy governors. We had a lot of trouble with absent governors last game.

Give me some time, and I'll draft an offical proposal to amend the CoL.

 

[disorganizer]

The only problem we will have: if all provinces have a deputy, we will soon run out of governors and deputies.

My proposal:
A pool of deputies under the reign of the domestic department. They could help out with other work in more than one province, but are on "standby" if a governor is absent.
The number could be defined by the number of provinces, for example #provinces/3, so for every 3 provinces we get an additional deputy. with 5 provinces we would have 2.

(in the original sense, with 5 provinces we would have 5 deputies, together with 5 governors, 6 executives, 3 judges and 2 main leaders we would need 21 officials. not counted all those chat representatives. given that the officials can only run for 1 position in the elections, it would propably get hard to fill all those).

 

[Octavian X]

I think it would work better if each gov had a deputy.

This is what the law against deputy governors says.
Section D.1.B of the CoL
Governors do not have Deputies but may appoint an Acting Governor when unable to fulfil their duties. The Acting Governor has all powers and responsibilities of the Governor but is a temporary position and must surrender their acting status upon the request of the governor.

I propose:
Section D.1.B
Deputy Governors

1. Each governor will have a deputy. The deputy governor assumes all powers and responsibilities of the province during the absence of the governor.

There are a few more things we'ed need to change to allow the governor to appoint a deputy.

Section H.4 currently tells how an acting gov may be appointed. We need to change it to:

4. Deputy Governor
a. Appointed by Provincial Governor if there isn't one already.
b. Confirmed by a poll of the citizenry. Simple majority required.

One last change is necesary to the CoS.

Section G.9.A.1, dealing with elections
current:
9. Election polls
A. The candidate with the highest votes wins the elected position.
1. For departments and the Presidency, the candidate with the second highest votes wins the Deputy position.

Sub-Item one would need to be changed to:
1. For provinces, departments and the Presidency, the candidate with the second highest votes wins the Deputy position.



That's a mouthful...

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by disorganizer
The only problem we will have: if all provinces have a deputy, we will soon run out of governors and deputies...

(in the original sense, with 5 provinces we would have 5 deputies, together with 5 governors, 6 executives, 3 judges and 2 main leaders we would need 21 officials. not counted all those chat representatives. given that the officials can only run for 1 position in the elections, it would propably get hard to fill all those).

Not really dis since leaders can also be deputies.

I support this idea. I also support the idea that the deputy or lt. gov (or whatever) be appointed by the governor. This will help alleviate the problems dis pointed out about running in only one election.

I am willing to foot the bill for legal fees ti have AP&N write up the proposal (since Shaitan has offered me a discount).

 

[Great Iguanaman]

i am fully behind this proposal. It makes no sense to put the weight of an entire city on one man. My only request is that they are appropiatly called depudy, not deputy.

The Great Iguanaman

 

[Shaitan]

@donsig - AP&N accepts. I'll have a proposal in detail tomorrow.

 

[Octavian X]

Does anyone not notice my fully detailed proposal above? Sheesh... Sometimes I think this RPG think strecthes too far. I did that for free, before we go throwing out our money, let's look at what's already on the table.

 

[Shaitan]

I noticed it, Octavian. I'm planing on plagarizing it.

What donsig is paying for is shepherding. It's active direction of the entire process through the final acceptance of the changes. It's much more than just the proposal.

 

[donsig]

So, are we going with deputies that are runners up in the election or appointed by the governor?

 

[neutral leader]

as the person at the epicenter of this controversy so to speak, i would like to add my support for this idea. in the event of a governor going awol the people need an able champion, whose occupation of the subsidiary position has given them credible experience, who is able to step in immediately. i wholeheartedly support octavian xs proposal, but humbly request that the term deputy governor be changed to lt. governor, in accordance with civgenerals inspired suggestion. thank you

 

[Octavian X]

Deputies would work well as the second place position, since that's how all of our deputies work, including the Vice Presidentship.

@Shaitan: I expect a small fee j/k

 

[Shaitan]

The deputy governor should be the runer-up of the election, just like the Executive branch deputies. In the event of an uncontested election the gov will be able to appoint a deputy, same as the exec leaders.

 

[GenMarshall]

Sounds like a good plan Shaitan. If there are two canidate govenors for a provance, one of them becomes a deputy govenor. If there is only one govenor canidate for a provance then he/she can have an option of appointing one.