[Development Thread] Battle of the Gods

[unklmnky69]

Human units for Japan. From left to right in each pic:
Back row; Warrior, Swordsman, Spearman, Pikeman, Maceman
Second row; Archer, Longbowman, Crossbowman
Third row, Chariot, Horseman, Knight
Front row; Settler, Worker, Scout

First is the BotG units with the same units from BtS for comparison:

Spoiler :

Warrior, Settler, Worker, and Scout (Korean scout) are from the Varietas Delectat mod, all the rest are by danrell

 

[basimrocks]

Okay, I'm wondering, why is the Indian leader Vishmu? First of all, I think it is Vishnu, and also, wouldn't it make more sense to have the leader be Brahman? All of the gods were only aspects of Brahman, after all.

 

[AFS]

Most of them I found on deviantart by an artist named Genzoman. The rest I found around the interwebs.....

Oh, I see, it makes sense now. When I was younger I used to play with some trading cards called "Myths and Leyends" or something like that. That guy of the deviantart is one of the artists involved in the making of those, that's why the drawings looked so familiar.

Sorry for the off topic

 

[unklmnky69]

Okay, I'm wondering, why is the Indian leader Vishmu? First of all, I think it is Vishnu, and also, wouldn't it make more sense to have the leader be Brahman? All of the gods were only aspects of Brahman, after all.

It is Vishnu, and it is correct in the game, I only typo-ed on that initial post. I chose Vishnu because Hindu Mythology was kinda hard to nail down, but what I gather is that Brahman is the word for supreme being or Universal spirit, and different philosophical schools have different concepts of it. However the one that makes the most sense for the purpose of the mod is that Brahman is the Trimurti. The Trimurti is made up of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the maintainer, and Shiva the destroyer. Of the three, Vishnu is the aspect most often associated with positive interaction with mankind. So I chose Vishnu for the leader, Shiva will be the most powerful Hero unit for the Indians, and The Essence of Brahma will be the tech that the Indians research when discovering the source of creation. (Each civ will have a different tech for this, Norse will be Yggdrasil the world tree, Aztec the Five Suns, Egypt will be Ogdoad the 8 Gods that created Ra etc.....)

Also important to note is that none of these Pantheons are based of current religious practices, but rather ancient mythologies, and with the exception of the Greek and Norse pantheons, the roles of various deities shifted throughout time/region/tribe and gave an abundance of ambiguous options. I tried to choose based of what was most prominent or made the most sense for the game.

 

[basimrocks]

Ah, thank you for the clarification, though my knowledge of Hinduism is limited ONLY to the ancient Indians.

 

[unklmnky69]

Human units for Aztec and India. From left to right in each pic:
Back row; Warrior, Swordsman, Spearman, Pikeman, Maceman
Second row; Archer, Longbowman, Crossbowman
Third row, Chariot, Horseman, Knight
Front row; Settler, Worker, Scout

Aztec's BotG units with the same units from BtS for comparison:

Spoiler :

Warrior, Settler, Worker (using Mexican worker), and Scout are from the Varietas Delectat mod, the knight is from BtS all the rest are by Bakuel


India's BotG units with the same units from BtS for comparison:

Spoiler :

Archer is a longbowman by danrell, Fast worker from BtS and all the rest are from the Varietas Delectat mod.

 

[unklmnky69]

Human units for for the last 2 civs. From left to right in each pic:
Back row; Warrior, Swordsman, Spearman, Pikeman, Maceman
Second row; Archer, Longbowman, Crossbowman
Third row, Chariot, Horseman, Knight
Front row; Settler, Worker, Scout

Angels

Spoiler :

Warrior & Worker (German), Settler & Scout (French) are from the Varietas Delectat mod. Maceman is seZereth's Paladin, Knight is bernie14's Teuton knight (w/Paladin re-skin). The rest are from danrell's Teuton set.


Demons

Spoiler :

Settler & Scout (German) and Worker (Mongolian) are from the Varietas Delectat mod. Knight is Khorne Knight by seZereth (w/seZereth's Chaos Knight skin). The rest are from the FfH2 mod. (Probably by seZereth also)

 

[Chiyochan]

>>Japanese - Izanagi
>>Not Amaterasu
scuze me what are you doing?

 

[unklmnky69]

>>Japanese - Izanagi
>>Not Amaterasu
scuze me what are you doing?

Trying my best. What are you doing? Are you trolling? Or offering to help with the mod?

I'd welcome any help/input/suggestions/education and will post updates here as they happen.....

As you can see from the first post, I'm open to education, especially in those pantheons that are complicated/hard to understand/etc...

As to my choice, from what I have learned in the last few weeks, Izanagi and Izanami were the deities that created the islands of Japan and from whom the forefathers of Japan were descended. Amaterasu the Sun Goddess, Tsukuyomi the Moon God, and Susanoo the Storm God were created from Izanagi's left eye, right eye, and nose respectively. Those three will all find a place in the mod I'm sure, but Izanagi and (Izanami if I add more leaders) seemed like the logical choice.

 

[Dumanios]

Perhaps when you've got everything set up, you could have a Mesopotamian civ.

 

[unklmnky69]

Perhaps when you've got everything set up, you could have a Mesopotamian civ.

I'd love to add more pantheons eventually, but right I'm not sure that the mod will ever get that far. I need help with 3D modeling, and so far, no one has stepped up.....

 

[DatNutyNut]

About Odin;
He has one eye, accordingly to the Norse mythology he sacrificed it to obtain knowledge of poetry, literature, war etc... I'm not quite sure but i think he had a raven too, but he rode on an 8-legged horse called "Sleipner"
However, if you you choose his son Thor, he had a gigantic Hammer and roamed the sky with his chariot...

Considering the Demonic part;
Lucifer is the planet Venus when it appears as morning star, it just has been adapted into religion through Roman paganism, now this is just a suggestion but how about;
Iblis (King of the realm of hell)
Baal
Baalath (female)
Beelzebub (one of the seven princes of Hell)

i thought about "iblis" since no one has used it before and is a part of abrahamic religion... but as mentioned its just to helpt out, loved the FFH series so wanna see this work out(i only joined to have an input hahaha)

PEACE

 

[Dumanios]

AN idea about the Angelic and Demonic factions. You could see if you can use the Mercurian and Infernal flags from FFH.

 

[4lexander]

I want to tribute a standing ovation for this author.


I think his idea is great, and realization is getting better time to time, also thanks to other people suggestions.


Your human units are almost all wonderful, most of them should replace stock units ingame because they really rock.

Tech mechanic solution is already found, so I' ll go to my proposals/questions.

Changing some flags if not all to more original ones: FFH assets could be great, but it would be already seen.


I suggest the inverted pentacol (the star in circle, with one edge down) to symbolize Infernal. Maybe golden or black in black/red background.

Zeus lightning for Zeus Pantheon seems an obligated choice, maybe surrounded by those labyrinth motive to decor.

Those Viking should totally have a red Dragon emblem, just like their Drakkar ships in history...

Aztec the blood-thirsty Sun wheel... simply tipe it on google, cannot mistake. Scary.

Indu the Third eye. It could also be the name of the starting tech, Opening of 3d Eye. It is fundamental in their religion beliefs, it fits.


Egypt is already perfect, Japan almost - sun should be Rising one - and Angelic is very difficult to figure out crosses apart.


About divinities: I really DO appreciate your work, but as suggested some of them do not fit the best.


Amaterasu is most important in Shinto, so she should be the leader for it.

Sun gods or Quetzalcoatl are at 1st position in precolombian myths, so the choice should be between them.

I am not sure but almost sure that most importan Archangel was Gabriel and not Micheal. I live in a catholic country, so my remembrance weights


Other are perfect or they fit best. :thumbup:


Units are really the strong point at this stage, I totally love 90% of them. So do not misunderstand if I would have proposals for some others to change.


Angelic humans are european-medieval-like. Fits perfectly. Can I suggest some Templar touch? I think they would be better for Knights and maybe Swordsman... with their white cloath and red cross.

Vikings base look is storic one. Quote. Some "barbaric" touch? Bigger, stronger, angry, with wolf-skins and huge weapons... you know, like Conan.

All other are amazing. Expecially Greeks, but others too.


Btw non-human units (hero etc) should have hard fantasy look... imo.


I have a question concerning heroes/gods. You say each civ will have their pantheon, meaning the whole collection of their gods...

So if Zeus is king of gods in greek mythology you rightly put him as civ leader... but else gods? They would have a part in this mod?

I mean... I see Ares could be their unique hero - excellent - but so there will be only 2 gods shown for pantheon... or can we see others too in other occasions? e.g. can I see Athena?


This is Very important for me in terms of realism, lore, deep. Thanks for this project, best wishes.