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Warlord
Songhai went to war with a neighboring CS , and , it did not go well.
Yes, usually ,CS's tend to raze ,and , usually aren't capable crushing a major power like this ,but ,the fluke of CS "empires" are not unheard of , albeit rare.
Now , my question : Lets say , i wanted to restore Songhai to its former glory ,however , i wanted to avoid the AI's permanent ,and , eternal memory of : me once being in a war. Even Songhai would not understand , and just see me as : "a warmonger that picks on its lesser neighbors." Because its a CS , i would get a penalty of conquering a CS for all 3 cities as i took them , not enough to set off the liberation modifier , if i just went in there "guns a blazing" , i would be an eternal warmonger in the eyes of the world. Defense pacts and war treaties don't count for CS conquest , so , even if : Songhai didn't just yield at its zero hour , i still wouldn't have been able to help conventionally. While i have friendship and embassy , the cheap bastard wouldn't do shared boarders without a GPT , which i couldn't have done , because i am struggling to stay into positive gold at the moment.
As for a pure diplomacy solution : trading all the cities , and , trading them back to Askia. CS's don't have the ability to trade cities, aside from : you usually come out behind ,when you play real estate agent with the AI, and , i don't have enough spare resources or gold to take heavy financial hits.
Speaking of finances :I am Austria ,so, i have an ace in the whole for this , however , due to my current gold crunch , i couldn't execute the action any time in the near future , besides which : My master plan had me keeping Jerusalem ,and ,some other CS's in tact for future WC votes. Basically only marrying the CS's like , Manilla that have their own little islands , to avoid contested boarders.
Yes, usually ,CS's tend to raze ,and , usually aren't capable crushing a major power like this ,but ,the fluke of CS "empires" are not unheard of , albeit rare.
Now , my question : Lets say , i wanted to restore Songhai to its former glory ,however , i wanted to avoid the AI's permanent ,and , eternal memory of : me once being in a war. Even Songhai would not understand , and just see me as : "a warmonger that picks on its lesser neighbors." Because its a CS , i would get a penalty of conquering a CS for all 3 cities as i took them , not enough to set off the liberation modifier , if i just went in there "guns a blazing" , i would be an eternal warmonger in the eyes of the world. Defense pacts and war treaties don't count for CS conquest , so , even if : Songhai didn't just yield at its zero hour , i still wouldn't have been able to help conventionally. While i have friendship and embassy , the cheap bastard wouldn't do shared boarders without a GPT , which i couldn't have done , because i am struggling to stay into positive gold at the moment.
As for a pure diplomacy solution : trading all the cities , and , trading them back to Askia. CS's don't have the ability to trade cities, aside from : you usually come out behind ,when you play real estate agent with the AI, and , i don't have enough spare resources or gold to take heavy financial hits.
Speaking of finances :I am Austria ,so, i have an ace in the whole for this , however , due to my current gold crunch , i couldn't execute the action any time in the near future , besides which : My master plan had me keeping Jerusalem ,and ,some other CS's in tact for future WC votes. Basically only marrying the CS's like , Manilla that have their own little islands , to avoid contested boarders.
