Do I have a chance here?

[vmxa]

I see I never posted the rest of my log, so here it comes:

Alliance with Japan and the Vikes, gave electricity.
Killed 5 or 6 more cavs with no loss. Two redlined, but not a bad run.
Moved some infantry around to spots that could be attacked.
Hoping Japan will get a few of the cavs hanging around and Hiawatha will elect to not send many units our way.

Should have at least 10 more units to be safe. (28-0) approx

IBT:
Not bad, 1 cav attacked and died, given us another elite. I saw some go for one of Japans cities, do not know if they attacked or what.
A bunch of cavs came across the borders to die now. (1-0) [29-0]

1615AD:
4th kills 4 cavs (4-0).
5/5 kills cav (5-0),
Fill 5th.
I see know that Tokyo was captured, how lame is that? Now size 8, so they did some drafting.
4/4 kills one (6-0).
4/4 gets another, but redlined (7-0).
4/5 kills one (8-0).
4/5 kills one and redlined (9-0).
3rd kills two infantry and captures town and 3 arties (11-0).
3rd was redlined, so captured the place to allow army to retreat to a barrack
town. Also let me run the arties out to bombard and then abandon the town.
5/5 kills one (12-0).
1st kills one (13-0).
5th kills one and razes Tokyo netting 3 slaves (14-0).
5th kills another (15-0).
inf retreats a cav.
inf kills redlined cav and goes elite (16-0).
inf kills redlined cav (17-0).
inf kills one (18-0).
3/5 cav kills redlined cav (18-0). [47-0]
Left 2 units in our land, both on an unroaded hill.

I would say that should do it for Iroq, lost a bunch of units and two towns.
SciMeth in 3 with army prebuild going. given they could do nothing with 2 turns, it is not likely they will must a massive counter attack and several armies will heal and be ready to attack towns.

 

[vmxa]

1620AD:
No details now, too lazy.
Got another leader, made army.
Raised another town, got 15 gold. Probably got gold the other times, just did not notice it.
Whacked a bunch of cavs in our land, no losses.
2nd and 6th file 3 infantry and raze city, get 23 gold and 3 slaves.
Found two more workers close by, so I grabbed them.

IBT:
Not much, Nips kill one redline cav I left for them and Hiawatha killed the killer. so good for me. No cavs show up in our borders.

1625AD:
Lower slider to 40%, 1 turn to go.
Bombard a few inf and the town of Mauch Chunk.
Got another leader form 7th.
Capture Chunk. Start an art as pre for a temple or lib after Mob to expand borders, will sell after 10 culture. Got 15 gold.
What can you say about a Monarch civ, they are weak and cannot sustain war.
Use 2 armies to raze Yar... 15 gold 3 slaves. You think Hiawatha is having second thoughts now?

IBT:
One cav attacks town and dies.

1630AD:
Autorazed another town. In a pickle as I want to switch army build to ToE, but we are MoB. I say again Mob is for very very special conditions and you will not run into them in a low level std game, don't do it.

Anyway I do not know what the rep is, if this was a normal game I would not make peace and break deals, but then I would not have to, to get out of Mob.


A few turns later finished ToE and took AT and Elec. FP is in 6 turns and US in 16. Only making to prevent anyone from getting the boost. I have founded 8 or 10 new towns now. Hoovers in 8.

The lack of workers has slowed things a lot, build a few and gathered many more slaves, but there were massive numbers of tiles with no roads and many roads not railed. Many mines and some irrigation needed as well.

Here is how inept the AI is at this level. The Vikes have not even taken the town next to their capital. Japan did better and worse. They lost at least 2 cities, but did recapture one.

Now they are both without my aid, they will have more problems. They could do no better in spite of all the towns I took from Hiawatha and all the units I killed?

I traded SciMeth to Japan and Vikes as Iroq has it. Trade AT to Hiawatha for Espionage and Commie or Fascism and bag of gold. Lets me up research and still stay +gpt. I did that as they would not research it until they had to anyway and I wanted to get spies.

It is now 1750AD. I killed off the Nippon empire. I think Japan lasted 5 turns, took longer to get to those tundra towns due to trees.

Been at peace for some time, but tried to trigger a war with spies, but did not get caught.

Will attack soon as the Vikes are down to 5 cities or about that. I have 12 armies filled. Will strike hard at the closest ones and see what they can do on counter and go from there.

The Iroq did not even grab any of the open spaces, probably did not have any settlers on hand at this point. I did not go AW as that is not what others would have done in this game.

Here is what the map looks like. I filled in some of the wide open spaces that were there to start.

 

[vmxa]

1750AD:
Start war with Iroq, capture town and sell everything I can. Got another leader and formed another army. Use it to cover the arties. Grab some workers laying around.

There will be no more peace. I won't start with the Vikes untill I have land
next to them or they start it. I would not be surprised to see Hiawatha make
peace with them and then sign them up.


Run over coal colony, not sure if they need it, but why not?
Moscow is tough, 10th, 7th, 8th, and 5th can only kill one unit each and are red or yellow. Need 3rd to raze the place. It stays green and get 2 arties and 6 slaves.

Next town takes 3 armies and the 2nd lost only one HP. We get 3 slaves and 24 gold. Probably got 18 or so from Moscow. My best guess is (11-0). Not sure if I have lost any units so far in any combat. I seem to think I lost a cav, but sure. Most of the fights are not fair as I use armies or have pinged units for the cavs, but not all.

1752AD:
Not much on the IBT, Ragnar demanded Iron, very funny. A few units come across, no one attacks. I did not have CAII up and I forgot Hiawatha had two infantry leaving when war broke out. They did nothing, I will get them now.

cavs 10
inf 7
losses 0

1st used 13 hp to kill one inf, it is 3 MDI and a cav, that is why. Did not use
the 11th in either turn, all else healing. (17-0) [28-0]

IBT:
Looks like they are getting up some courage. 5 cavs attack. 2 dead, 3 retreat. Infantry are rough on cavs. (5-0) [33-0]

1754AD:
Start flight. Tanks are nice, but I want to bomb some of these cities to soften
them up and tank armies are slower than cavs. Not mention I need two techs,
rather than one.

cavs 9
inf 12
losses 0

13th rolls out. 5 armies ready to go. Raze city get 24 gold, 5 slaves. 10th
redlined. Grab another worker then raze another city get 24 gold and 3 slaves.
(21-0) [54-0]

Looks like Vikes are 4CC and Iroq have 59 known, pop 457 and ours is 74 cities and 405 pop. Dummies have many metros, which will wait for tanks and bombers. Too risky to attack them with cav armies. Three settlers on spots.

Not making them as fast as I could as I do not want to expand much farther. I have plenty of support and can get by fine. I lack the workers to set up farms. That is why research is not that fast. Everything comes back to lack of workers.

I should be going around irrigating, but do not even have roads or rails in many places.

IBT:
had to happen lame cav killed an infantry. I barely kill them with an army?
(0-1-1) [54-1]

1756AD:
Flight stayed the same number of turns, so it must need a few more beakers.
33 units come across.

cavs 5
inf 16
losses 0

I see we some how got 917 beakers on the first turn and now get 877bpt. Need to make 914 to get it down one turn. Going to go around to see what the specialist are doing and such.
Got leader make 14th. I pressed it into battle at 14/16, killed 4 units, but is
redlined.

Well 5/5 goes red, but wins and then 5/5 get leader with no loss of HP. Goes into 15th.

33 units is a bunch for me as I do not have enough arties and most of the units are infantry and need armies to kill, if not pinged. Running out of cavs as I slowed down making them, thinking I had enough till tanks.
Razed Ravenna or some such 16 gold.

Still one stack of 16 next to New Ashur. Will let them go for this turn. They
are all infantry so they will either attack and die or move on real slow.

Berlin is size 12. Has Uni and lib, gran, barrack and temple. Made 10 beakers, 1 or 2 gold and 6 unhappy pop. Solution, sell everything. Move pop a bit and make 6 scientist. Now no maint for all those buildings, no unhappy pop and I get 21 beakers and the cash from the sales. Just the maint saving and the extra beakers and 4 other scientist and I already go to 917 beakers.

I was very lazy I see and found many granaries to sell, some harbors and lots
barracks. Now at 969 beakers. Increase gpt as well. Now lets see what Hiawatha has in store.

If I had the workers I could drop another 2 turns.
(21-0) [75-1]

 

[vmxa]

IBT:
4 infantry attack and first two redline my infantry, crazy. Two promotions and
the rest move on. 20 units now, but 12 were already there, so looks good.
One frigate made a bombing run.
(4-0) [79-1]

1758AD:

Cavs 1
Inf 14
Losses 0

Razed another 24 gold, 5 slaves. Set up a settler for next turn. Want to run
towns to cut off the east.
(15-0) [94-1]

IBT:
1 cav attacked and retreated, 2 inf attack and die. (2-0-1) [96-1]

1760AD:
Found two towns and cut off the East.

cavs 1
Inf 19
Losses

cleared the land of invaders.
Raze grand river and get and artie and 5 slaves, thats gotta hurt.
Raze Towanda or something. 24 gold, 2 arties and 5 slaves.
(20-1) [114-1]

1762AD:
Found one more town an hold the rest for now.
16th rolls off the line.
One of the towns I razed in last few turns had Copernicus.

cav 5
inf 10
losses

Razed St. Regis, got 24 gold, 5 slaves and 2 arties.
Raze another city for 24 gold and 5 slaves.
(15-0) [129-1]

Note opened a path to the Vikes, but they are now 3CC. Would probably be worse
off, but I killed 4 cavs coming their way.

 

[vmxa]

1764AD:
10th found leader in the field and ran over him.

cavs 3
inf 10
losses 0

Razed Allegheny for 8 slaves and 2 arties and 34 gold. It was size 19. It also had a frigate in town, the one I pinged.
Razed Nanking for 3 slaves, 1 artie and 25 gold.
Grabbed a couple of loose workers in open. They still have about 170 infantry.
Redlined the first 4 stack of ships coming around the old Japanese land. I have no ships and Flight is 2 turns away, so they get to live.
(13-0) [142-1]

1766AD:
Pinged another 4 stack of ships and all the troops in range.

cavs 4
inf 12
losses 0

Another leader and 17th is born.
Grab a worker.
Another leader and 18th is born.
Razed town, 16 gold and 2 slaves.
Razed town, 17 gold and 1 slave.
Razed town, missed the gold, no slaves.
Now #1 in pop, land, gold and cities. They are down to 410 and 49 cities.
I have 82 and may plant a few more soon, just do not want to defend them right now.
(16-0) [158-1]

IBT:
1 cav attacked and retreated.

1768AD:
Finally got 3 destroyers online and sank three redlined frigates. Last I checked
Hiawatha had over 60. Bomber prebuilds will complete for the next turn.

cavs 4
inf 15
ship 3
losses 0

Autorazed a new town for 16 gold.
Found two towns in that area to prevent movement and resettlement.
Now they are partitioned in three pieces, all cut off from each other.
Razed town, 17 gold and 2 slaves.
Razed Pompeil for 25 gold, 5 slaves and captured 5 more workers.
(22-0) [170-1]

 

[vmxa]

IBT:
Another cav kills a 4/4 infantry fortified and 2 others retreat and 1 dies
(1-1-2) [171-2]

1770AD:
cavs 3
inf 12
ships 3
loses 0

Pinged the 4th and last stack coming around the bend.
I forgot to mention I busted a barb camp a few turns back for 25 gold.
Army comes out from the MA, not filling just yet.

Get leader make 19th.
Razed Houston, get 17 gold and 2 slaves and 1 artie.
(18-0) [189-2]

1772AD:
cavs 1
inf 12
ships 3
losses 0

Razed capitol. 33 gold, 5 arties and 14 slaves. it was size 35.
It has Sun Tzu, Pyramids and Shakes.
Found two more towns.
Pinged stack of 5 frigates.
(16-0) [205-2]

IBT:
cav retreats

1774AD:
cavs 3
inf 8
ships 3
losses 0

Razed Hangchow for 22 gold and 4 slaves.
(14-0) [219-2]

1776AD:
cavs 3
inf 16
ships 6
losses

Raze Niagara Falls (new capitol) for 25 gold, 10 slaves.
Raze city for 29 gold, 7 slaves and 1 artie.
Raze city for 25 gold. 4 frigates and a gallon inside.
Raze another 22 gold and 5 slaves.
(25-0) [244-2]

They are down to about 100 infantry and less than 50 frigates now.

 

[vmxa]

I see some views, so just in case anyone is interested in the map I add it.
1778AD:
capture settler.

cavs 1
inf 13

Razed Centralia, 23 gold and 5 slaves.
I think I got another army from the MA here and now have 2 sitting around
empty. 19 filled.
Razed city for 23 gold and 5 slaves.
(14-0) [258-2]

1780AD:
cavs 1
inf 14

Razed a city for 24 gold and 5 slaves.
Razed newest capitol, size 20 for 32 gold and 9 slaves.
(15-0) [273-2]

1782AD:
cavs 3
inf 10
ships

Razed Chicago for 23 gold and 4 slaves, plus 2 arties. I have more than I will
need now thanks to Hiawatha. 5 frigates were in port and went to Davies Jones locker.
Razed city that was current capitol for 24 gold, no slaves and sunk a galleon in port.
Sunk galleon and 2 of the 3 escorting frigates in the NE.
MT next turn, have some prebuilds that will be finished with a small rush then.
Raze Seville for 24 gold and 5 slaves.
Raze Catt... for 24 gold and 3 slaves, plus 1 arty.
Down to 65 inf now.
(22-0) [295-2]

Now have 70% of pop and 51 of land. Could have won by pushing out lots of
settlers, but I like to just keep squeezing them.

1784AD:
Vikes DOW when a courageous spy tried to steal their plans.

cavs 1
inf 11
ships 3

rifles 2

Razed another for 24 gold and 3 slaves. East coast cleared of any Iroq towns.
Razed Toledo for 24 gold and 5 slaves.
Captured Reykjavik as it was size 1 and they are down to the numbs.
Razed Santiago for 24 gold and 3 slaves.
(17-0) [312-2]

 

[vmxa]

IBT:
Vikes and Iroq at peace, so all the frigates start bombarding me.

1786AD:
Form 20th as tank army.
Found Iroq rifle/settle, thanks for the slaves.
form 21st.
Start pinging stack of 22 frigates.
I sunk 4 of them with bombers.

cavs
inf 8
ships 5
rifle 3
guerilla 3

Capture Bergen.
Raze a town for 18 gold and 1 slave. Blocked SE and only has 4 towns left there.
Razed town for 18 gold, 1 arty and 1 slave.
Razed Oka another capitol for 32 gold and 5 slaves.
(19-0) [331-2]

1788AD:

ships 6
inf 7
rifles 3
guerilla 3

raze town for 19 gold and 1 slave.
capture Oslo for 3 gold.
razed city for 28 gold and 3 slaves.
(19-0) [350-2]

1790AD:
rifles 9
ships 8
inf 7
losses 1

captured Trondheim for 3 gold.
captured Stockholm and Vikes are gone.
5/5 cav died attacking 1/4 inf not fortified, on grass, it happens.
Captured town and abandon it got 18 gold. Was going to hold, it changed mind.
razed Birka for 28 gold and 3 slaves.
raze town for 20 gold.

Hiawatha is down to 23 frigate and 19 of them are redlined. 40 infantry and 8
rifles. 20 cities, 9 on tiny islands.
(24-1) [374-3]

1792AD:
inf 5
rifle 1
ships 7

raze town for 23 gold.
raze city for 30 gold and 4 slaves.
(13-0) [387-3]

IBT:
Whoops hit domination.

Bob Rulz I finished it off so you can see it was quite winnable, almost no effort. You could have finished it much sooner, but I tend to take it slow.
I stop making armies with 22 filled and 1 empty. Using any leader to rush temples.

I never did get all the tiles railed, just too many.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

[387-3]

Just awesome.

 

[MAS]

(24-1) [374-3]

what do these numbers stand for?

 

[vmxa]

Thanks Lord Emsworth. Mas the first set in is for the kills and losses on that turn. The second set is a running total. That is how I do it in SG games, when I an playing in them.

I actually have had turn where I kill more that the total in this game in a single battle, but those are on Sid games. Even in some SG's it is not uncommon to kill close to 200 in a turn.

So I went 21-1 on the last turn I posted and had 374 and 3 for the game to that point. Two of the losses were infantry killed by attacking cavs, not very common. The other loss was an elite cav going down against a 1 hit point infantry, but it was on a mountain.

I could have sent an army, but was too lazy.

 

[MAS]

Ah, OK, Thanks for the explanation.