Do pikes have an advantage against mounted units??

[henry k c]

There has been a debate in the UU vote about wheather pikes have a numerical advantage over mounted units(knights, cavalry etc.) In the civilopedia it says that pikes are "excellent defenders" against mounted units but it doesn't say if there is a numerical advantage. I think that pikes somehow do better fighting cavalry than it does fighting Med. In. or Immortals.

 

[Tomoyo]

They do not. Period.

 

[tR1cKy]

Confirmed. There is no advantage vs. a particular type of unit in the combat model of civ3, although it would have been a good idea.

pssst... tomoyo... i think it's "third"... you did it on purpose?!?

 

[Dreadnought]

Great...I was the reason he started this thread...

 

[Tomoyo]

Great... I went and did a test. Egyptians have 25 cavalry next to separate stacks of 25 Roman Pikes and 25 Roman Hoplites. I apparantly had Preserve random seed on, and the results were exactly the same as each other, when I attacked different stacks.

EDIT: @Tricky: It's on purpose. Today should have been my fourth avatar, but I was away yesterday and did not get to change it.

Cav vs. Pike

1. Cav defeats Pike flawlessly.
2. Cav kills Pike losing one hp.
3. Cav kills Pike losing two hp.
4. Cav kills Pike losing one hp.
5. Cav kills Pike losing one hp.
6. Cav kills Pike losing one hp.
7. Cav kills Pike losing one hp. Promotes.
8. Cav takes one hp off the Pike, but is forced to retreat.
9. Cav defeats Pike flawlessly, promotes.
10. Cav dies against Pike taking off one hp, Pike promotes.
11. Cav kills Pike losing one hp. Promotes.
12. Cav defeats Pike flawlessly.
13. Cav kills Pike losing two hp.
14. Cav takes two hp off the Pike, dies. Pike promotes.
15. Cav kills Pike losing one hp.
16. Cav kills Pike flawlessly.
17. Cav kills Pike losing one hp.
18. Cav kills Pike losing one hp. Promotes.
19. Cav kills Pike losing one hp.
20. Cav kills Pike losing two hp.
21. Cav kills Pike losing one hp. Promotes.
22. Cav kills Pike losing one hp. Promotes.
23. Cav retreats doing no damage to Pike.
24. Cav takes two hp off Pike, dies. Pike promotes.
25. Cav kills Pike losing one hp.

Cav vs. Hoplite

1. Cav defeats Hop flawlessly.
2. Cav kills Hop losing one hp.
3. Cav kills Hop losing two hp.
4. Cav kills Hop losing one hp.
5. Cav kills Hop losing one hp.
6. Cav kills Hop losing one hp.
7. Cav kills Hop losing one hp. Promotes.
8. Cav takes one hp off the Hop, but is forced to retreat.
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[777]

Confirmed. There is no advantage vs. a particular type of unit in the combat model of civ3, although it would have been a good idea.

It would be great idea, whole new dimension to kind of lame battle system in civ.
Odd thing is that in Civ2 there was pikeman what had doubled defense vs. mounted units, now I wonder why they didn't made any other units with special traits. It won't be so hard thing to do I guess.

 

[henry k c]

I guess it was just my imagination

 

[Thangorodrim]

that's odd. Cav keeps losing against Pikes when they don't lose against muskets or rifles... must be them being over confident

 

[RegentMan]

Yup, in Civ II, a pike was 1/2*/1, with the * denoting an increase in defense against mounted units.

 

[douche_bag]

http://www.civ3.com/conq_features.cfm

But on the official website under conquest features they say that you can give units damage multipliers, isn't that wat this is? if it isn't, then what are damage multipliers?

 

[Tomoyo]

Damage multiplier is something like collateral damage... I've tested it out, and Pikes and Hoplites defend against Cavalry just as the combat calculator (which doesn't account for this bonus) says...

 

[gunkulator]

Even if such a bonus existed, pikes should not get any bonus against cavalry since cavalry do not charge into pikes with lances. They shoot them.

Civ2's bonus for pikes against horses only applied to early non-gunpowder units.