do we have a Irish civ in CFC?

Mobilize said:
As for a UU for Modern Ireland: Irish Republican Army, or Provisional Infantry ("Provo").
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I think giving an IRA UU to Ireland would be rather like giving an al-Qaeda UU to the Arabs. By which I mean, no.
 
Plotinus said:
I think giving an IRA UU to Ireland would be rather like giving an al-Qaeda UU to the Arabs. By which I mean, no.
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I agree. I love most things Irish, but I despise the IRA terrorists, for they are nothing more.
 
Bjornlo said:
I despise the IRA terrorists, for they are nothing more.
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Speaking like that you insulted many good people, Irish patriots who fought hand to hand with Michael Collins for freedom of their land. Maybe George Washington and Continental Army were terrorists too??
 
I have one suggestion: IRA is a polemic topic, so, let's forget it ;) :)
Since the modern leader Michael Collins looks like the best leader for a United Ireland, I could use a ancient/medieval/industrial UU to represent these eras :)
 
okay, here we go an Irish civ, excellent

for UU there are two major choices that stand out for me

either a Fenian (riflemen with perhaps more movement)

or rename Kinboats cuchullain unit Fianna, the brave warriors who guarded the coast of Eireann

and i agree with Pol Cop calling the IRA terrorists is insulting the memory of thousands of brave Irishmen who strive for independance. Us fenians do not tolerate the insulting of martyrs. But anyways lets not allow this thread to become a flame war :)
 
Bjornlo said:
All kinds of units are possible.
Short bowmen
Spear men (skrimishers)
Clansmen (early knights)
Since the vikings reined there for well over 100 years, even huskarls, and similar are possible.
of course amongst the most interesting and challenging would be a Druid... which would also work for ancient englad or scotland.
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all these ideas are terrible
 
I don't wish to flame or anything, but I cannot believe that anyone seriously thinks the IRA are "brave martyrs" or anything like that! They are brutal terrorists who have killed many completely innocent people by planting bombs in town centres. Whether they are "patriots" or not is neither here nor there.

Sorry for responding to that in your thread, Civ Army, but I don't think any British person would be prepared not to respond to comments like those, any more than an Israeli would be prepared to hear nice things about Hamas or an American would tolerate a defence of al-Qaeda...
 
Plotinus said:
I don't wish to flame or anything, but I cannot believe that anyone seriously thinks the IRA are "brave martyrs" or anything like that! They are brutal terrorists who have killed many completely innocent people by planting bombs in town centres. Whether they are "patriots" or not is neither here nor there.

Sorry for responding to that in your thread, Civ Army, but I don't think any British person would be prepared not to respond to comments like those, any more than an Israeli would be prepared to hear nice things about Hamas or an American would tolerate a defence of al-Qaeda...
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okay. I agree most of the modern I.R.A are terrorists. But what you have to understand is the unimaginable destruction that britain brought upon ireland and to us your government is as much terrorists. Secondly the men who fought and died for a ireland from the initial english invasion up to the anglo-irish war were some of the greatest men and women who ever walked the earth
 
Come on, we could not turn the thread political, cos it is against the forum rules ;) IRA, terrorist ou not, r out of my plans, cos they r too polemic ;)
The leader will be Michael Collins and I can do the other eras in the style of other Irish leaders and the UU untill now the one that I like more is that swordsman that was already done by Kinboat, I didn't see the unit yet, but I believe it is top quality as usual.
 
Pol_Cop said:
Speaking like that you insulted many good people, Irish patriots who fought hand to hand with Michael Collins for freedom of their land. Maybe George Washington and Continental Army were terrorists too??
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No, I am insulting murderers, terrorists, their fellow gutter dwelling swine, and any fellow dregs of humanity that feel like grouping themselves in with these scumbags.
The American Continental Army was a rebellious group over throwing their overlords. They did so in open combat involving soldiers only. If the IRA had done nothing more and they had behaved similarly they would deserve some measure of respect. But this is not how terrorists behave, and so it is not how the IRA behaved. Bombing non-combatents, and so on. They are no better then the Al-Quida.
Just because you have a reason to want to fight, does not make everything you do ok.
 
Communisto said:
okay. I agree most of the modern I.R.A are terrorists. But what you have to understand is the unimaginable destruction that britain brought upon ireland and to us your government is as much terrorists. Secondly the men who fought and died for a ireland from the initial english invasion up to the anglo-irish war were some of the greatest men and women who ever walked the earth
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This is not true. I study histroy as well as any non-historian. I know full well what the british have done to Ireland. Whether you agree with their actiions or not, they were never terrorists. They were at worst an occupying army, behaving reasonably well for an occupying army.
I would he quite sympathetic to the Irish reunifcation were it not for the IRA. I'm not English, Irish, or American. I am a Norwegian. I'm glad you too agree that the IRA are terrorists, nothing more; becuase there is no doubt in the rest of the world what they are.
They are also in bed with the drug cartels in South America and so on. They train the drug cartel's paramilitary units over there so the drug barons can better terrorize innocents on the other side of the world from England. The Columbian, Venezualan, and so on people were certainly never involved with the English occupation, but this doesn't seem to trouble the IRA.
 
Bjornlo said:
This is not true. I study histroy as well as any non-historian. I know full well what the british have done to Ireland. Whether you agree with their actiions or not, they were never terrorists. They were at worst an occupying army, behaving reasonably well for an occupying army.
I would he quite sympathetic to the Irish reunifcation were it not for the IRA. I'm not English, Irish, or American. I am a Norwegian. I'm glad you too agree that the IRA are terrorists, nothing more; becuase there is no doubt in the rest of the world what they are.
They are also in bed with the drug cartels in South America and so on. They train the drug cartel's paramilitary units over there so the drug barons can better terrorize innocents on the other side of the world from England. The Columbian, Venezualan, and so on people were certainly never involved with the English occupation, but this doesn't seem to trouble the IRA.
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how were they not terrorists? you obviously do not know irish history if you think that. Black and Tan were the british equivalent of the SS, they stumbled throughout the Irish country-side, half drunk, shooting at Irish farmers and innocent they also burned innocent catholic houses during the anglo-irish war.Also, before that there was years of genocide, forced relocation, rape and religious segregation. i could go on and on. Nothing the IRA EVER did was worse than what the british have done. Do not talk of this please, this is the end of the discussion, the rest of the thread shall go to the devolopment of Civ
 
Please, help me complete that list and please, stop debat about IRA, before it causes any confusion and the thread will be closed :)


Civilization: Éire
Bonuses:
Title and leader: (title?) Michael Collins
Best/shunned government:
Agression:
Cultural group: European
Noun: Irish
Adjective: Irish
Colors: Dark Green (Aztecs) and Light Green (Greece)
UU: Fianna
Civilopedia entry: RACE_EIRE


Cities:
Untill 100 cities limit :)

Military leaders:
Arthur Wellesley
Eric Dorman Smith
???
???
???

Scientific ones:
George Berkeley
Edmund Burke
Hans Sloane
Ernest Shackleton
Arthur Guinness

Civilopedia:


Fianna, the UU:
This unit was done by Kinboat
Replaces Swordsman and (??? - power?)
 
CivArmy s. 1994 said:
Come on, we could not turn the thread political, cos it is against the forum rules ;) IRA, terrorist ou not, r out of my plans, cos they r too polemic ;)
The leader will be Michael Collins and I can do the other eras in the style of other Irish leaders and the UU untill now the one that I like more is that swordsman that was already done by Kinboat, I didn't see the unit yet, but I believe it is top quality as usual.
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I'll drop the debate on the IRA. History is quite clear on the matter and won't be made more clear by me repeating it here.

I would suggest Micheal Collins fame was great, but his accomplishments were few, and he was never the leader of his nation. Perhaps a Military Leader would be a better use for him.
 
Military Leaders:
King Niall Noígiallach
Arthur Wellesley, the first Duke of Wellington
Eric Dorman Smith (General Dorman O'Gowan)
Michael Collins

Scientific Leaders:
George Berkeley
Edmund Burke
Hans Sloane
Ernest Shackleton
Arthur Guinness ;)
 
Bjornlo said:
I'll drop the debate on the IRA. History is quite clear on the matter and won't be made more clear by me repeating it here.

I would suggest Micheal Collins fame was great, but his accomplishments were few, and he was never the leader of his nation. Perhaps a Military Leader would be a better use for him.
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What leader would u suggest? The single rule in this case is "represent a United Ireland, not only one of the old kingdoms". I'm sure I can use MC, but if appear other alternatives and people support, I can do the change ;)


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@Winter: Thanks for the suggestion of leaders! I'll use all, less M.C. since it is already the great leader.
 
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