DocT01e- Bulgars

Not much to report in thirty years.

Built swords everywhere I could and upgraded some warriors. Great Bulgar and Vidin are not happy places.

We are now ready to take on the Byzantines with an army group ready to take Adrianople and a second defensive group in the forest and on the hills at Veliki Preslav. The Byzantine still have no iron :smug:

Founded one city in the west and met the Swedes. Tried every turn with everybdy to make a trade for HBR but was unsuccessful. :mad:

French, Germans and Burgundians are building the Holy Roman Empire.

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Oj, what light through yonder window breaks...

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SesnOfWthr
DocT
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Bede-just played
 
A quick Update.
IHT: Byzantines declare rather than leave. Trigger GA. Sword in our army promotes.
IBT: Stuff Moves.
Turn 1: Capture Adrianople and 2 slaves. Two swords win at Larissa but a third dies to an archer. Next turn then.
IBT: Lothair Boots us, Meet the Celts, kill a byz archer.
Turn 2: I think Doc modded our swords down. Lost 2 swords at Larissa to 2 archers. Kill a few spears around Adrianople
IBT: Kill 2 archers, a warrior and redline a horse. Then Adrianople flips, Taking our army with it. It had less than a 5% flip chance.
Turn 3: Capture Larissa no losses. Raze Adrianople out of Spite. Swap Great Bulgar to Settler and rush it. The extra unit support will be very nice.
Where do I go from here? Will continue later today
 
We have 10+ Swords left. I have no desire to make peace until Greece is ours.
 
I think it's pretty obvious what you have to do, go replace that army! :p
 
How many MGL's would you like Sesn? I might need to save some for SGOTM.
 
I would expect you'll be seeing horses and archers in any counter attack. If you can, keep them out of the mountains and build a strike force between Larissa and Constantinople making use of the terrain to keep the Byz in the open. I would also expect to see lots of Westerners wandering around with settler pairs. They can be a nuisance when they start tying up the road net.
 
Turn 4: Cont. MOve up some troops. We really need workers.
IBT: Pliska gets disease again. Lose the Sword that leveled adrainople.
Turn 5: Lose a sword to a spear in the open. Kill the spear, kill a horse.
IBT: Lose a sword and a horse. Kill 1 horse. Resistance in Larissa Ends.
Turn 6: Position troops for next assualt.
IBT: Byz navy moves up for a drop on our Western flank
Turn 7: Lose 1 Sword. Capture corinth with a harbor and burn some ships. Whack some loose archers.
IBT: We flawlessly defend against BYZ, but barbs kill worker and settler by great bulgar.
TUrn 8: Kill byz counter, but archers kill 1 sword and redline 2 more.
IBT: Kill archer at Corinth, but lose 2 swords and a slave to increasing counters.
Turn 9: Just notice research was shut off completely. Sorry about this guys, I probably built a settler in our science city. OUr science city is now great Bulgar.
IBT: A lot of Byz troops come in. Poles and Burgundians start HRE.
Turn 10: YOu are really set up to go get Athens next turn. After this greek campaign we might need some peace.

Sorry about the turns, they are not up to my normal level, but we hurt the strongest empire on DG, and are still making headway. The naval landings are all just ferrying more troops over to throw against our sword stack in Greece. I have not seen a real landing yet. This game again showed me that something is broken with the Byz AI, as it uses curraghs exclusively for its transports, when it has the very nice Dromons just sitting there.
 
OOPS! Guess that's me, didn't even realize. :blush:

I'll have turns up by very late tomorrow, at worst.
 
I am going to stop and post what I have now and ask for some advice. I'm not 100% sure what our goals are here.

First off, for research, are we planning on pursuing the Byz path, and try to get up to the cataphracts?

Is there any reason why I should not raze Constantinople, if I get the chance? I imagine there is no way we could hold it against a flip.

Here's my log thus far:
IHT – Stack moving on Athens. Byz units all over our southern territories. No units moving on Constantinople, yet.

IT – We win about four counterattacks, but lose an elite sword.

978 ad (1) – Our swords go 4 for 5 at Athens. All spears defeated, but we don’t have a unit to attack the king unit. Elite sword wins vs vet archer on a hill, flawless, and Sesn’s Slayers ride again. I win about four skirmish battles vs swords and spears. I only have a rl sword in range of Corinth, so I will let it fall. I’m kind of confused as to how we have a horseman running around? :hmm:

IT – We win and lose three counter battles, mainly losing very injured units.

981 ad (2) – I opt to retake Corinth rather than press at Athens, as both have spears showing now, plus archers underneath. I am not optimistic about our chances for holding the city though.

IT – Lose an elite sword to two horses. Great Bulgar is pillaged by a keshik barbarian.

984 ad (3) – I win five random battles, and lose none. Move units to reinforce Corinth. The good news is that we have four defenders to deal with the three possible attackers there. The bad news is that none of them have more than 2 hps.

So, do we want to roll the dice and take whatever losses in Corinth, or make peace now? I wanted to wait until Byz learning came in before peace so we could get the next tech in line, along with HBR. Screenshot to follow. Also what the heck can I do to secure Great Bulgar? The keshik barbs attack at 3.2.3.
 
The units in Corinth are at this state:
1/4, 2/4
1/5, 2/5

As I said, we can definitely hold it, but I'd hate to lose those elites....

I also figured this was an oppurtune time to stop fot the evening. ;)
 

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Call peace. Wait 3 turns. Tell Theo to move or declare. Then Proceed again with the war. I would take Constantinople the first time, raze the second. I would not heavily fortify Constantinople, but it is just too nice a city to raze offhand.
 
Agreed. And don't station anything of worth in former Byz cities, especially Corinth. The flip risk is insane.

To answer some more questions:
Research: How many turns left on Byz In? I'd try to get the next tech here and HBR for peace. Then, research Norse Traditions at minimum, we'll trade/pointy stick for everything else.
Barbs: You cannot defend.
 
IHT – Some of the advice was contrary, now that I think about it. I can’t make peace now and still get the next tech in line…

I get 10g, 2gpt, and HBR for peace from Theo.

987 ad (4) – Shuffle and heal some units.

IT – Byz demand we move. I move, then demand the same of her. She doesn’t. We win five battles.
Byz Ing comes in, start on Norse Trad with a scientist.
Larissa deposes, we lose a single sword.

990 ad (5) – Win four random battles, promoting two vets in the process. Move a half dozen units on Constantinople. Larissa retaken by the army.

IT – It takes two archers and a horse to kill our 3/5 sword.

993 ad (6) – Kill 7 random units, but a vet and an elite are in danger.

IT – We do indeed lose the vet and elite, although we take down two archers with them.

996 ad (7) – lose an elite to a reg spear. The rng hates me, as I do a total of 6 points of damage in the process of losing 4 swords before calling off the attack on Constantinople.

IT – Lose another sword in counters at Constan.

999 ad (8) – Army loses 9 hp killing 2 spears at Athens.

1002 ad (9) – Pillage the horses just over the border. As always, some random skirmishes that we win. Army moves back to Corinth for healing.

IT – Byz land three horses near Larissa, and move other units in from the east.

1005 ad (10) – Kill off most of landing party, but leave defended with only a rl vet.

To be quite honest, I’m really disappointed in these turns. I didn’t make any real gains, and felt like I merely held my ground. I can’t believe I couldn’t even take one city. There are many swords running around, and even a few elites managed to survive. We have several swords in and around Pliska if someone wants to test the rng at Constantinople again. The army is healing in Corinth. I know it’s a risk, but we really need the healing, and I did build a temple there.
 
Looks good sesn. I had the same feeling on my turns. Then I realized that our advantage is a slight one, and that we are facing the most powerful nation in the world. The Byz are strong right away, and we start fighting in their core. Constantinople gives them a troop every turn. I think just keep slugging away, and we can take greece. Once that happens, we can hit the Magyars for a bit, or really funnel to Constantinople.
Take courage my brothers. We will prevail. (We have 2 "monks").
 
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