Doesn't Anyone Learn from History?

The people that learn from history never have enough power to do something about it - Graeme's cynical thought for the day
 
The circumstances are only vaguely similar. Two glaring differences that I see right off are:

1) We don't have a worthless moron in the White House. Jimmy Carter was a clueless peanut farmer and everyone who voted for him should have been soundly kicked in the crotch until they died of internal bleeding. Well, at least soundly chastised for being idiots, at any rate.

2) World opinion could not be more solidly behind us. Even the friggin' Russkies are with us.
 
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'We don't have a worthless moron in the White House'



HA HA HA HA HA HA: at last ive found someone madder than me.

George Bush is a complete moron - did you not see what he did to the kyotot agreement: how about the whole star wars thing, or the fact that he spent half of his time in presidency on holiday

Id laugh even harder if it wasnt all true, and all very, very worrying
 
Originally posted by Graeme the mad
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'We don't have a worthless moron in the White House'

Originally posted by Graeme the mad
HA HA HA HA HA HA: at last ive found someone madder than me.

George Bush is a complete moron - did you not see what he did to the kyotot agreement:
Yeah, he refused to agree with a bunch of morons who thought the best way to help the environment was by fertilizing the earth with dead human bodies.
[Graeme the mad] how about the whole star wars thing,
You mean the Nuclear Missile Defense project? Well, given that our last president sold all of our missile and warhead technology to the Chinese, they will soon be able to directly threaten us on a scary scale. We will regret not having it later if we don't make a defense now.
[Graeme the mad] or the fact that he spent half of his time in presidency on holiday Id laugh even harder if it wasnt all true, and all very, very worrying
Exaggerations are hardly valid points, but it wasn't like much was happening anyways during the early portion of the year.
 
Originally posted by FearlessLeader2

Yeah, he refused to agree with a bunch of morons who thought the best way to help the environment was by fertilizing the earth with dead human bodies.


Thats a whole lot of 'morons'...
 
Since none of the various militias has any real hope of united the country under a democracry, return to a moncarchy, no matter how figure head (with the northern alliance actually holding the power), with its small bit of historyand tradition, would seem to be the most viable choice for limiting factional fighting in Afghanistan.
 
George Bush is an absouloutley terrible president - but as usually I cant be bothered arguing the point.
I will just say that half his time as president on holiday was NOT an exageration - its true
And 'nothing very important was happening in the first half the year' - you dumb idiot, of course Important stuff was happening: like oil companies wanting to kill millions of caribou and the whole thing with the world heating up and everything.
 
Typical Fundie Green propaganda.

Did it ever occur to you that there are millions of caribou to be killed BECAUSE they have all the protection they will ever need? They are a cash crop, and since humans have a vested interest in their survival, they will continue to survive.

Do us all a favor, and stop this outrageous lying. If you want to protect a species, or save the planet, quit choosing the cute and cuddly(and economically viable) ones. They're already safe, and we both know it. Prove that you care for the earth more than yourself or humanity. Protect the mosquito, or the cockroach, or the rat. Protect the AIDS virus thou savior of all things Nature.

In short, quit trying to look good for your girlfriend.
 
...partly out of courtesy and partly because I've had enough of moronics for now...

...he asked "Doesn't anyone remember what happened in the past? If we don't learn from our mistakes, we will be doomed to repeat them again and again."

It seems to me, as I said in another thread, there are some people who can learn from other's mistakes, some who learn from their own mistakes and some who can't learn at all. Most people are a mixture of these.

Learning from history is a specialised form of learning from the mistakes of others. And quite often this is collective learning rather than just individual learning. It's much harder than any of the other forms of learning for several reasons.

Firstly, there has to be the will to begin to learn. This is hard enough in the case of an individual. In the case of groups where mass opinion may be manipulated by contrary parties and where stimulating information may be removed all together, it can seen nigh on impossible at times.

And then there has to be focus. Learning from history normally means some kind of comparison with current affairs, and unless the affairs are so dominant (as they have been of late) that they exclude nearly everything else, they are often drowned out or considerably lessened in impact by the rest of what's going on. Again it takes will to keep focus, and quite frankly this is more than the average citizen will find time for.

Which is where special interests groups come in, keeping their particular flames alive. Yet even they don't continue for centuries. The likes of Amnesty International, this year celebrating its 40th anniversary, are rare enough.

The answer to H Tower's question perhaps lies in an assumption implicit in the question itself. Who is the "we" that is supposed to learn? Should - or even can - humanity in general, or a society in particular necessarily be progressing in a direction? Does that really make sense? Perhaps in some cases it does - I doubt if we are about to lose Women's Suffrage for example - but in others I really don't think that notion of progress (and therefore group learning for ever) applies.

A society might be seen to be made out of individuals, and perhaps there are some lessons which really do have to be learnt time and time again. Because they apply to groups, and while individuals may persist and learn their individual lessons, groups are never the same from decade to decade and can never retain what has been learnt for certain.
 
So, Graeme,

Did you miss my reply, or did it just plain shut you up?:lol:
 
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