Drinking from 21 a stupidity?

Originally posted by Jeratain


Wait, I thought you just said there is no reason to prohibit it? :confused: Either you want to have less drunk driving related accidents or you don't.
Well, then we should prohibit all alcohol? Or is it better to improbe drink&drive regulation / control?

It's not prohibited. Underage people can drink if their parents allow it and in the proper situations. It is not legal for a minor to purchase and/or drink alcohol on their own for safety purposes. If it were pointless there wouldn't be any laws against it. These limits and restrictions are the result of many years of experience with 18 year olds legally being allowed to drink. The US is far different than Denmark or any other European country in the way that the cities are spread and the roads - so it's unfair to try and compare the two countries. In the US people drive their own cars more than in Europe - the only places that people don't drive that much are in major metropolis cities like New York, Chicago, San Francisco, etc - not the suburbs. There are lots of Americans (if not all) that drink alcohol before they are 21. That's all fine and dandy, but those laws keep the youth out of bars and clubs so they don't hop behind the wheel afterwards and drive into a pedestrian or something.

I say those laws don't keep youth out of bars and clubs and/or other non parental supervised locations! Am I wrong with this?

My view:
Don't prohibit drinking,
Don't prohibit driving,
Prohibit the combi! And do so seriously!

Last comment: I am happy to see you know The Hague is in Denmark :thumbsup: !
 
Personally, I think if anything, the age needs to be raised. You have to admit, when you're younger, you're, well, stupid. Increasing the age would, logically, reduce the chances of alcohol abuse.
 
Originally posted by Octavian X
Personally, I think if anything, the age needs to be raised. You have to admit, when you're younger, you're, well, stupid. Increasing the age would, logically, reduce the chances of alcohol abuse.

Your logic is different than mine then ;) !

Think about this: Kids can be taught how to use alcohol in a proper way by their parents. When people start drinking when 21, thet might not have a clue on the effects and abuse alcohol!
 
Originally posted by Octavian X
You have to admit, when you're younger, you're, well, stupid.
Major nonsense spread by people who think they were stupid when they were younger and are smarter now and regard that as a normal development, which only shows that they've always been and always will be stupid. :p ;)
 
Originally posted by Stapel


Curt, you just dropped a hundred points on the Stapel-respect-chart! I don't expect you to care btw. In fact, if you do, you will drop another 50 points!

For heaven's sake! You live in her majesty's land of distilleries!

I live in Europe's heroin capital too.

Do you expect me to be a smack-head? :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling


I live in Europe's heroin capital too.

Do you expect me to be a smack-head? :rolleyes:

I think there is a difference between sticking a needle in your addicted vains AND enjoying the taste of a quality whisky after dinner.
 
How different things are in Australia compared to the USA. I bought my first jug (Pitcher for the yanks) of beer in a pub when I was 12.

My kids have been drinking wine with their evening meal since they were about 10. Only bad side to that is that they both know wine well enough now to taste the difference between chateau cardboard and grand cru. Can't pass the cheap stuff off to them anymore.

When my nephew turned 18 (the big birthday down under) I was the only old fart - apart from his parents - that was invited to the real party. We had a huge session where I taught them all the drinking games I know. The guys had to cheat to beat the girls. A great time was had by all with no problems. Drink driving in Oz is quite rare now - anyone who has had their license less than 3 years (ie all 18 - 21 yo's) must have no alcohol in their blood when driving - and it is heavily policed.

Seems a much more sensible way to go than having a felony conviction before your 21st birthday a la Jemma Bush
 
Originally posted by Nad
I've been drinking since I was 12 and it hasn't done me any harm

(Well, a little bit)

(Well, perhaps more than a little bit)

(Ermmm, quite a lot actually)

(I'm dying)

BAN THE STUFF:mad: :D

The UK is a great place isnt it :D drinking since 12 :) heh gets boring now.

Anyway is it the age to buy alcohol or drink alcohol thats 21 in the US because over here if im not mistaken you have to be 18 to buy alcohol (or have an id) but in your own house you can be anywhere from 11 if your parents allow you to......... and 16 to drink in restraunts and pubs with a meal so what exactly are the rules in the US
 
OK, I'm back after drinking two pints of beer, Actually a litre, bu what tha hel... And I do spell completely correct.. But it's not fun to drink alone... Drink with your friends and your girlfriend if you have one...
 
Originally posted by Smaasnekje
OK, I'm back after drinking two pints of beer, Actually a litre, bu what tha hel... And I do spell completely correct.. But it's not fun to drink alone... Drink with your friends and your girlfriend if you have one...

spell completely correct ui agrre with you!
 
In America you definitely have to be 21 to buy alcohol, I'm not sure if you're allowed to drink before that age in your own home etc...may be our American friends acn enlighten us?

Also, the ID culture is way different. In England, since the age of about 15 I have never been ID'd to get into a club or buy a drink at a pub, because the general idea in England is not to be suspicious of people buying a drink unless they look really young. I found in America it was different, unless you were balding, had a beard or genuinely looked 30+, they ID'd you. I was 18 when I was in the States, though I've always looked a bit older, and I got ID'd every time I went to buy a drink...luckily I had a fake driving license :D
 
Originally posted by Mikoyan

I agree. I have seen people I care about get ruined by alcohol. That has forever changed my view of drinking.

I have seen people I care about get ruined by many things: some die or get severely injured at work, others in a train accident or a plane crash. Some others doing some sports, etc ...

Not a very strong point, don't you think?
 
I think that it is stupid for any country or state to set a legal age for drinking or driving that is higher than that required to fight and die for their country.
 
Yeah, it'd be easier to get people to volunteer to fight and die for you if they're drunk...
 
The problem is that it's been 21 for so long that kids would go nuts if it was suddenly lowered to 18. Another problem is that younger people don't have the best judgement in the world, and drink too much. At least if it's illegal it's a little harder to obtain. Legal-age college kids on the whole drink far, far too much. Maybe that's because they have a feeling of "letting loose", or maybe it's because they are stupid, but it's probably both.

18 is a pretty good age, I think. 16 is too young, but at 18, it's good to put the trust in the person to maintain good judgement. Letting them drink is a good way to do that. I would lower it to 18 if it were up to me, but I won't deny that it would be ugly for a while until it became a "normal" part of society. There are other things to consider as well. Would the laws be adjusted? Now, if a teen gets caught drunk driving, they basically get a slap on the wrist if they're 18 or younger, and judges are much more lenient if you're younger than 21. If you're over 21, things get much harsher.

Also, Stapel says it's rare for 18 year olds to drive over there, but that is not the case here. I'd say about 100% of kids are driving by the time they are 18 where I live. In the big cities I imagine it's much less, but still quite a majority, I'd bet.

The bottom line is that when someone turns 18, they are expected to be an adult. The law should treat them as one, and that includes the benefits as well as the punishments.
 
Twenty one does seem ridiculously high. Over here it is officially 18 to buy but you can drink at any age if you are with your parents. That seems about right. Very few establishments actually care about age anyway. If one place didn't serve you there are always plenty more. My dad taught me to drink responsibly when I was in my early teens. That really helped me growing up as I have always been able to handle my liquour. Prehaps the age in the US should be lowered gradually instead of cutting it by three years over night.
 
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