Eligibility Discussion

FortyJ

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I know, I know... I have been the self-appointed champion of the "No New Laws" initiative all term. However, upon seeing the list of nominations this term, I feel that this issue needs addressing...
Code:
[b]Code of Standards[/b]
[b]G. [/b]Elections
    [b]6. [/b]Eligibility
        [b]C. [/b]Incumbent leaders may run for 1 position in each
           election cycle. Other citizens may run for 2 positions
           in each election cycle. 
        [b]D. [/b]Each citizen may hold 1 leadership position
           (President, Department Leader, Judiciary, and Provincial
           Governor). 
            [b]1. [/b]If a candidate wins 2 leadership positions they
               must decline one office. 
        [b]E. [/b]Each citizen may hold multiple deputy positions
           (Vice President, Departmental Deputy).
Our current Code of Standards restricts the number of offices that an individual holds and/or can seek election to. Should we ammend this rule in any way?

We currently have 22 positions up for election this term. This term, our active census (representing the average votes cast in the previous elections) is 17! Our full census (representing the highest number of votes in any one election) is 40!

Restricting ourselves to one person, one position would require over half of our nation to hold office. Is this practical? Surely, it would be great if we can actually accomplish such a thing, but is it likely to happen. As of yesterday morning, of the 22 positions available, only three had more than 1 person running; six had nobody running and I'm sure that several of the uncontested positions included nominations that had yet to be accepted.

Now, I'm aware that these restrictions are intended to encourage new member participation, but I feel that this protection may be unwarranted. Without such protection, it may be possible for a member to hold two positions at the expense of a new member (who would presumably become deputy in one of the departments). How is this a bad thing? Furthermore, with such protection in place, it becomes more likely that a new member, who has little experience at posting polls, or understanding the standards we hold so dear, could be elected to a position of great importance and become overwhelmed.

I am therefore opening this discussion. I encourage all members of Fanatika to particpate as any resulting action would surely affect us all.
 
Not to mention there'll be even MORE provinces if we're going for domination! I really do think we shouldn't count governors as a "leader posistion". Meaning, council members and the judiciary can also be a governor, for the sake of praticality. Would you rather have domestic eventually control 1/2 of the cities because there's not enough governors?
 
What a great idea. That way someone could run for all six leader positons and potentially win all of them. That way we would only need one person at the Turn Chats for Council Votes. Heh! Why didn't I think of that. :rolleyes:
 
If only winning the elections were as easy as running for them...

But, seriously... your sarcasm (inferred from the rolling eyes ;)) is not wasted. Obviously, people will have to think about who they're voting for in each department.
 
Originally posted by Cyc
What a great idea. That way someone could run for all six leader positons and potentially win all of them. That way we would only need one person at the Turn Chats for Council Votes. Heh! Why didn't I think of that. :rolleyes:

:hmm: :confused: That's not what I meant. I meant that they could run for one executive/legislative posistion, and on governor posistion.
 
Why not limit the number of positions to three, but no more than one council position (including the presidency)?
 
Originally posted by FortyJ
Why not limit the number of positions to three, but no more than one council position (including the presidency)?

Now you're confusing me.... :crazyeye:

I thought you meant a citizen can hold one council posistion and one governor posistion.
 
@ Chieftess, sorry CT. I wasn't talking to you. I really didn't know what was in your post until just now. I actually think your statement has merit.

@40J, although your last statement or suggestion moves tremendously in the right direction, I'm still having trouble with it. I will stay out of this for a while and let's see what the other citizens have to say.
 
How about this:

Everybody can run for one position in each branch of government. If a person wins more than one Leadership position they must cede victory in one or more if the positions were contested.

Say I run for North Province, Domestic Leader and Chief Justice and win all three (hey, it could happen!). Domestic Leader and Chief Justice were both contested. I end up as the Governor of North Province and the Vice President (no deputy position in Justice to fall back to). If all three were uncontested I would be a very busy President/Governor/Chief Justice that term. If all three were contested I pick the Leader spot I want and cede the other two.
 
Originally posted by Shaitan
How about this:

Everybody can run for one position in each branch of government. If a person wins more than one Leadership position they must cede victory in one or more if the positions were contested.

Say I run for North Province, Domestic Leader and Chief Justice and win all three (hey, it could happen!). Domestic Leader and Chief Justice were both contested. I end up as the Governor of North Province and the Vice President (no deputy position in Justice to fall back to). If all three were uncontested I would be a very busy President/Governor/Chief Justice that term. If all three were contested I pick the Leader spot I want and cede the other two.

:lol: I just started a seperate thread with almost the same thing, except that it excludes the judiciary.
 
Another option is to combine the provinces into larger territories. Keep the existing provincial borders but have one governor take 2 or more provinces. This way we can specify how many total Leader positions we want. If we want 6 governor spots then the provinces are grouped into 6 territories.
 
Originally posted by Shaitan
Another option is to combine the provinces into larger territories. Keep the existing provincial borders but have one governor take 2 or more provinces. This way we can specify how many total Leader positions we want. If we want 6 governor spots then the provinces are grouped into 6 territories.

That was my intent in term 2 before we went provincial-splitting again...
 
Fact is, I really had no point when I started this thread other than I was concerned about our self-imposed limitations on elected positions. My agenda was to spark some discussion on the subject and hopefully we could all come together to find a solution to this potential problem.

Personally, I do not see anything wrong with somebody holding multiple positions or a position in all three branches of our government simultaneously. Of course, there may be some problems with conflicts of interest if an investigation is ever called, but in those events, I believe someone could be appointed pro-tem to serve in those cases.

I really like Shaitan's proposal, but I'm curious to know if someone may just come up with an even better idea.
 
I actually like both of those ideas. Both are direct easy to implement solutions to our current problem. Plus the first keeps the Leader entanglement squared away by separating the eligibility by Branches. But who would be in charge of reallocating Provincial responsibilty? Domestic Leader? President? The Senate? I would think that could be handled by the Senate. It gives them an extra responsibilty, if not extra power.
 
One quick addendum to Shaitan's proposal... we need some provision if the contested election contains winners of two other elections....

example... Citizen Alpha runs for Dom Ldr and Gov of SDC. Citizen Beta runs for Chief Justice and Gov of SDC. Alpha wins both elections (Dom Ldr was uncontested...), and Beta wins the Chief Justice election (which was also uncontested...). Now what?

In actuality, knowing the character of our citizenry, I'm sure that a compromise would be reached. However, if we are to implement such a change, then perhaps we should attempt to resolve such problems before they occur.
 
That occured to me as well, FortyJ, and it's a tricky solution. If there was a third person running for Gov of SDC then that person gets the win. If it was only Alpha and Beta then Alpha gets it based on the (new) subclause: If all candidates for an office would have that office subject to the forced cede rule, no cedes apply for that office.
 
That works for me.

Now, what about this Senatorial issue of combining provinces into guberantorial territories? Are you suggesting we fix the number of senators/governors and then simply elect those positions at large and let them divide up the provinces in session? Or is this a way of distributing unfilled spots amongst elected governors?
 
My only concern with this is people biting off more than they can chew, so to speak. Personally, I would never want to hold more than one office, but what happens when those who do get overwhelmed by the amount of work they have taken on, and the quality of their work degrades.
 
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