@ElliotS vs @nj666 06.01.2018: Discussion, speculations, AAR

[ElliotS]

So duel is besically who can rush first?

Especially on epic. There's no way the game will end any way besides conquest.

Speed determines how much of a lead you need to win. Faster being bigger lead. Barbarians really slow it down too.

 

[MorphBer]

Well, its a nice skimish but doesn't really show all the skills necissary to be a good civ player (besides that it proves the comcept of natural unluckyness )

 

[CrabHelmet]

You can't show the skills needed to be a Civ player without having at least 6+ player for proper diplomacy stuff, though.

 

[pineappledan]

At least half of MP civ is convincing your friends that you are less of a threat than X. Learned that the hard way.

 

[infidel88]

How is this fun? :/

 

[tu_79]

You can't show the skills needed to be a Civ player without having at least 6+ player for proper diplomacy stuff, though.

This is why I never play duel.

 

[CrazyG]

Duel is solely about hyper aggresiveness and isn't a very good perspective on how good someone is at the actual game. Things like long vs short term trade offs aren't a thing
(do I tribute or ally a CS? The alliance takes way too long to pay off). I don't think any wonders available pay off fast enough to pursue them in a donut duel either, and many have already mentioned multiplayer diplomacy

I have not played epic speed or without barbarians in over a year. An entire social policy tree (which is EliotS's favorite) is completely invalid without barbarians, I'm surprised he agree with those settings.

 

[Rekk]

Duel should also be played on the fastest game speed.

 

[ElliotS]

I have not played epic speed or without barbarians in over a year. An entire social policy tree (which is EliotS's favorite) is completely invalid without barbarians, I'm surprised he agree with those settings.

That's why I lost the first game. They're pretty big changes, so they through off all my mental timings.

Duel is solely about hyper aggresiveness and isn't a very good perspective on how good someone is at the actual game. Things like long vs short term trade offs aren't a thing
(do I tribute or ally a CS? The alliance takes way too long to pay off). I don't think any wonders available pay off fast enough to pursue them in a donut duel either, and many have already mentioned multiplayer diplomacy

Yeah, this is why I was super surprised NJ built a granary in his cities and didn't just spam units.

Then again if NJ was in the business of making good gameplay choices we wouldn't be having this thread.

 

[CrazyG]

That's why I lost the first game. They're pretty big changes, so they through off all my mental timings.

Also in that replay he got 3 CS alliances while scouting (2 food and 1 culture). That's extremely lucky

 

[Gothic_Empire]

my buddy and I 1v1 with a bunch of AIs. It complicates things nicely and our games sometimes last until nukes / space.

 

[MorphBer]

Also in that replay he got 3 CS alliances while scouting (2 food and 1 culture). That's extremely lucky

Lucky? NJ? That's impossible!

(I thought the same when watching the video)

 

[Paramecium]

Okay, I have a rough idea how old nj is ...
... might explain something ... ^^

 

[Misaka]

xD lol i i will try to upload a video with 6ia and 4player xD i think today will we start xD

 

[Paramecium]

Btw, why did you play without Barbarians, because of desync problems?

 

[Deadstarre]

anyone else happen to notice NJ's in-game name? i almost fell over laughing, it is exquisite =)

 

[Voker57]

Btw, why did you play without Barbarians, because of desync problems?

Yes, with barbarians VP desyncs like every other turn.

 

[Paramecium]

Is that happening regardless the number of players? Because I played MP with 3 people and we had rarely desyncs, okay, it was an older version now, but I have to agree, without Barbarians, the early game is very different...

 

[ElliotS]

anyone else happen to notice NJ's in-game name? i almost fell over laughing, it is exquisite =)

Actually it's a step better than that. That's their windows name, because we were using a vpn. (My steam name certaintly isn't ellio.)

Btw, why did you play without Barbarians, because of desync problems?

No, on 2 players that wouldn't have been a problem probably.

They said it barbarians were 'too random' so I rolled my eyes and said sure.

Also in that replay he got 3 CS alliances while scouting (2 food and 1 culture). That's extremely lucky

It's almost like luck doesn't exist, and people who think they're unlucky are just stupid suffering from confirmation bias...

 

[RAuer2]

After everything that was said on both sides, nj went 1-1 vs Elliot. Say "Good game" and move on. It doesn't just look immature or petty to diminish his victory in game one, it is immature and petty.

I mean, I don't buy the whole naturally unlucky/lucky thing either but that doesn't matter for this part. Things were said about his level of skill. Challenge was offered and accepted. He went 1-1. Good game, move on. Is there a need for this part or can we be better?

just stupid

 

[Ziad]

This thread is amusing