Elohim tolerance quick question

[doktarr]

You cannot use feast unless you're playing as the Calabim.

Oh. That takes away a good 75% of the appeal of capturing Calabim cities. Oh well...

What exactly do you mean by "and such"? You can't build units like Herne, I'm sure of that.

I mean the heroes associated with Civs that are not their Shrine heroes. If Herne is the shrine hero, can you build the gold dragon? How about the Black Wind? Also, do you get Dwarven Vaults in Khazad cities?

 

[Doug Piranha]

Oh. That takes away a good 75% of the appeal of capturing Calabim cities. Oh well...

Um, Governor's Manors and Breeding Pits, anyone?

 

[doktarr]

Um, Governor's Manors and Breeding Pits, anyone?

Sure, they're quite nice. And there's still some value in pumping some vampires for Haste/Regen/Spectres. But that's not the same as taking them to 65 XP and banging out Combat4/Commando/Body2/Death2/Mobility.

Moreover, the biggest appeal of the Calabim, to me, is the ability to gift vampirism to all your strong figures for massive XP. I suppose that Feast was limited to the Calabim to prevent other civs from taking that characteristic on just by capturing a single vampire.

Personally, I think it would make more sense to limit Gift Vampirism than to limit Feast. That way, at least the vampires could act like vampires.

 

[A Moon]

I mean the heroes associated with Civs that are not their Shrine heroes. If Herne is the shrine hero, can you build the gold dragon? How about the Black Wind? Also, do you get Dwarven Vaults in Khazad cities?

I don't think you can build any civ-specific world units, and you don't get dwarven vaults.

 

[nealhunt]

For some reason, I seem to recall a discussion of an Elohim exploit that allowed you to end up with 2 palaces.

Am I misremembering that?
If not, is it still possible?
If it is still possible, how do you do it?

 

[Derf]

You capture a city of someone else's empire and build their palace there.
AFAIK, your capital moves there and you use their palace instead of yours though.

Nice way to gain access to other people's palace mana if you've turned off Vassals, but it means you lose your own palace's benefits.

 

[SergiuSS]

I don't think you can build any civ-specific world units, and you don't get dwarven vaults.

Dwarven vault is a kazad civ building you don't have access at it whit Elohim, the only way you can have it is to take a city via a peace treaty or as a gifted city (the last one I am not sure) but it won't be of to much good since you can't change his value and from AI it comes at low level

 

[doktarr]

Can you upgrade as if you were that civ when you are in that city, or just build? Can you upgrade adepts and savants to Wizards in a former Amurite city?

If the answer to the former question is "yes", then does that extend to civ-specific units that replace other units? Can axemen upgrade to Vampires? Can Mimics upgrade to Vampire Lords?

Yes, yes (Although feasting is Calabim-only)

I back-burnered my planned Elohim game because of the priest upgrade bug in Tholal's 2.2, so I'm just getting to them now. However, while playing the Illians, I noticed something that made me question how this works. I had captured (via Command) an Ogre, and (much) later I was able to upgrade it to an Ogre Warchief in one of my cities. Obviously Immortals, not Ogre Warchiefs, are what I could normally upgrade to when playing the Illians. This makes me think that the upgrade path of a unit is coded when it's built, and not dependent on where you are upgrading (except for when you need specific buildings in a city to do an upgrade).

Does anyone have further insight on this?

 

[scutarii]

reviving...

Elohim suppose to be ol' good guys, eh?

Not so fast, go for AV, summon hyborem, beat him and take his city and build to yourself infernal palace, eh, eh