Empire of the Rising Sun - ToTTP/LUA Remake Official Thread
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I would like to make a humble request for a unit for EotRS (my current, active project), and I did already have a serious look around various graphics compilations. I'm looking for one of these:
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With LUA, it seems they can be launched from several types of U.S. attack and bombing aircraft to make guided attacks on Japanese ships. While ASW guided missiles are very common today, from what I can gather, in WW2, the ASW guided - well, bombs with glider wings, not full-out, "missiles" - were quite the novelty, as the other one I've found noted mention of in that whole war is the German Hs 293.
Thanks in advance!
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With LUA, it seems they can be launched from several types of U.S. attack and bombing aircraft to make guided attacks on Japanese ships. While ASW guided missiles are very common today, from what I can gather, in WW2, the ASW guided - well, bombs with glider wings, not full-out, "missiles" - were quite the novelty, as the other one I've found noted mention of in that whole war is the German Hs 293.
Thanks in advance!
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Well, having a closer look, as novel as this things was in the '40's, a 37km range is probably not meaningful as a missile unit at the scope and scale of EotRS. Though, perhaps it could be a subject of this LUA promotion mechanic I've been seeing mentioned in the relevant threads for those specific U.S. bombers and attack aircraft.I would like to make a humble request for a unit for EotRS (my current, active project), and I did already have a serious look around various graphics compilations. I'm looking for one of these:
ASM-N-2 Bat - Wikipedia
With LUA, it seems they can be launched from several types of U.S. attack and bombing aircraft to make guided attacks on Japanese ships. While ASW guided missiles are very common today, from what I can gather, in WW2, the ASW guided - well, bombs with glider wings, not full-out, "missiles" - were quite the novelty, as the other one I've found noted mention of in that whole war is the German Hs 293.
Thanks in advance!
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Well, I suddenly got walloped with the hammer of work, personal life, and other RL issues, and while I was able to make POSTS on the graphics, modified scenarios, Tech and jpetrotski's PBEM duel, the announcement of Civ7, and a few random other things - as were demonstrated - I was only able to make some posts, and was to swamped to seriously work on EotRS. Free time to devote to it should be coming in the cooler months starting around Canadian Thanksgiving, or so.
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So, I've returned to work on this, shifted around some unit slots, changed a few priorities, and have come down to what will like be my last unit request graphic for this scenario. The USN Atlanta-class cruiser (I had a look for it, but unless it's non-intuitively labeled, or in an unexpectedly named file, or one of Erika's many unlabelled naval units, I came up dry 
). This is meant to have parity with the RN Dido-class and IJN reburbished Fuso-class (after being retired following WW1) having heavy, dedicated AA guns, and the AEGIS flag.So, if @Broken_Erika, @Fairline, @Tanelorn or whomever else could whip this Atlanta-class up for me, or point out where it was hiding, I'd be greatly obliged. As I said, this is very like the last unit graphic request for EotRS.
). This is meant to have parity with the RN Dido-class and IJN reburbished Fuso-class (after being retired following WW1) having heavy, dedicated AA guns, and the AEGIS flag.So, if @Broken_Erika, @Fairline, @Tanelorn or whomever else could whip this Atlanta-class up for me, or point out where it was hiding, I'd be greatly obliged. As I said, this is very like the last unit graphic request for EotRS.
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So, what I'm doing right now is getting the hackjob of the M6 GMC finished, and converting fairline's Soviet Guards emblem to a Red Banner emblem, and seeing if I can squeeze two more slots for fast battleships (using the Nevada and Kongo unit graphics).
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Would you like to advise something else I should request there, tech?
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Use place holders where needed while you build the scenario. You can fill in the missing art later. Getting the Rules txt. and the events done should be the priority. Once you have a working draft of the scenario, you can make it look good.
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As until now there was no response to the request about the Atlanta Class, here is a conversion I made from the aged Civ 3 unit of the Atlanta Class. May be it can serve as a template for a Civ 2 ToT unit. Unfortunately the turrets are blue for the civ colours in Civ 3. A bmp file is attached to this post.
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I have given it a number of tries on my own to edit it, and the similarity SHOULD make it easy, but I keep making a pixelated mess. Thus, I am asking, now, for someone to please tweak fairline's Soviet Guards unit shield to a Red Banner Army unit shield - which seems to be the accreditation of virtually all Soviet land forces defending Siberia during the Soviet-Japanese cease-fire and involved in the invasion of Manchuria, Sakhalin, and Korea north of the 38th, and planned invasion of Hokkaido. Thanks in advance!
Tanelorn drew an atlanta which I've tweaked and I drew the Dodge Fargo AT gun which you requested as part of a project i've been working on. At some point I'll post updated ww2 unit compilations with these and other new units (EDIT done). Nothing holding you back from whipping together a scenario now Patine.
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Yes, you are correct. The Red Banner tweaked shield would be all that was left, though I could use a standard Soviet flag in the mean time. The rest is ready to go, graphics-wise, and the old map and cities placement are reusable. I've just been reading over the threads on LUA to grasp how to do that part.
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And now, sans Red Banner Shield, this should be about is:
The terrain graphics may get a few more types, as the ToTPP allows, and would be useful, and some changes to the Improvements graphics for some planned changes in City Improvements and WoW's. And, as I said, I am looking over how to use and apply LUA, as this will be the first scenario I've attempted that uses it.
The terrain graphics may get a few more types, as the ToTPP allows, and would be useful, and some changes to the Improvements graphics for some planned changes in City Improvements and WoW's. And, as I said, I am looking over how to use and apply LUA, as this will be the first scenario I've attempted that uses it.
I can't help it, I have to comment after seeing that. Putting 4 or 5 flags on a unit looks absurd; if you have a unit used by more than 2 civs, just leave the flags off the unit. Quite apart from that, the flags you've placed on the lower corners of the units will not be visible in game. This strongly implies that you haven't placed any units on a map (does one exist?) or you would have seen this for yourself. Might be time to start actually making a scenario Patine, rather than tinkering with units files.
As for the units themselves, I've got the following observations:
The Cat armoured dozer was only used by the British in NW Europe. Use one of the other dozer pics I've drawn;
The New Zealand soldier should be dressed in Khaki drill or British jungle greeen depending on the date;
The Free French unit you have is from the North African campaign;
What is the armoured car with Netherlands and US flags?
The M2A2 light (mis-labelled M1A2) was never used in combat - M3 Light and an M4 Medium cover the US marine tanks;
The Marmon-Herrington Mk III was used by the South Africans and British in North Africa, not the Pacific (also the unit graphic isn't a Marmon-Herrington Mk III);
You have a T-44 but no T-34 for the Soviets;
You're making a Pacific scenario without the Zero or G3M?
You have both a corvette and destroyer escort for the British - you can probably combine them in one unit;
You could probably rationalise the light tanks used by the Allied minor nations and China to one unit (Vickers light tank or tankette) and likewise the Japanese allies (Type 94 or TK)
That's a very modern looking Dutch ship you have there;
What are the two weird looking ships with no flag?
If you want to include an early US battleship for the Japanese to blow up at Pearl Harbor, you probably don't want to use the refit Nevada - use one of the earlier graphics;
Freeing up some slots as described above lets you include a British battlecuiser or battleship
Include at least one US carrier upgrade (Essex class) - you have the US BB progression well covered but only a single carrier type
As for the units themselves, I've got the following observations:
The Cat armoured dozer was only used by the British in NW Europe. Use one of the other dozer pics I've drawn;
The New Zealand soldier should be dressed in Khaki drill or British jungle greeen depending on the date;
The Free French unit you have is from the North African campaign;
What is the armoured car with Netherlands and US flags?
The M2A2 light (mis-labelled M1A2) was never used in combat - M3 Light and an M4 Medium cover the US marine tanks;
The Marmon-Herrington Mk III was used by the South Africans and British in North Africa, not the Pacific (also the unit graphic isn't a Marmon-Herrington Mk III);
You have a T-44 but no T-34 for the Soviets;
You're making a Pacific scenario without the Zero or G3M?
You have both a corvette and destroyer escort for the British - you can probably combine them in one unit;
You could probably rationalise the light tanks used by the Allied minor nations and China to one unit (Vickers light tank or tankette) and likewise the Japanese allies (Type 94 or TK)
That's a very modern looking Dutch ship you have there;
What are the two weird looking ships with no flag?
If you want to include an early US battleship for the Japanese to blow up at Pearl Harbor, you probably don't want to use the refit Nevada - use one of the earlier graphics;
Freeing up some slots as described above lets you include a British battlecuiser or battleship
Include at least one US carrier upgrade (Essex class) - you have the US BB progression well covered but only a single carrier type
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No need to feel bad. I fully know and understand the difference between constructive criticism and just tearing apart, and pissing all over, someone's work out of spite. Fortunately, the Scenario League has long, strongly, engaged in the former.
I had taken my map, city placements, terrain, and terrain improvements, list of players, and a hex-edited locked alliance with the Barbarians for everyone but Japan taken from moving the old EotRS .scn file, after deleting all of the old units, to the new folder. But, yes, you are correct, I have not yet placed any new units, and didn't know about the corner graphics.
These are easily corrected, and I thank you for an eye to detail.
That is meant to be one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmon–Herrington_CTLS#American_use which were used by both the KNIL and in the Aleutian Campaign. I used a similar-looking unlabeled Broken Erika unit as a stand-in graphic, as I couldn't find one at the time.
I had a source giving a brief mention on a list of vehicles of these being in the arsenal of the respective forces. I was unaware they never actually saw combat in the Pacific.
I do have a Zero, but, you are correct, a T-34 and G3M are conspicuous by their absense.
The first one is a submarine hunter, and the second is a seaplane tender, again, taken from Broken Erika stock.
These adjustments all make very good sense.
I thank you humbly for for advice and knowledge! Cheers!
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Since your WW2 collections of French infantry don't include a specifically-stated Pacific Colony Free French unit, what uniform colour, kit, helmet, and rifle would be closest to the French Polynesia, New Caledonia, and New Hebrides forces?
I've just had another look and I can't see one
That's a good question; I don't have any reference pics, but metropolitan troops in the far east tended to wear khaki drill shirts and shorts and a pith helmet. Use the foreign legion in north africa pic as a placeholder to make the scenario with.
